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Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by Insimwytim »

toraway wrote: post #385
iterateoften wrote: post #359

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You’re most likely consuming a large quantity of genai art without even knowing it.

Sure, and I'm also consuming a gigantic quantity of GenAI art while knowing it, completely against my will. Which like OP has soured my overall perception of it. The existence of inoffensive use cases doesn't invalidate anything OP is saying, that's just a natural human reaction to overexposure of a technology. In the span of less than 2 years, pretty much everywhere I look has been inundated with zero-effort spam, m…

  > manipulated imagery
And we thought iPhone camera videos were bad... (they were (and are) though)

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Post by nektro »

ionwake wrote: post #343

Man I find the HN crowd so cross and fickle sometimes. I think it’s just because when companies get bad rep it affects how people view the products? Im autistic and tend to focus on the tech SORA ( whatever that means) was one of the most astounding demos I’ve probably ever seen ( ChatGPT was more gradual ). The shock and awe of rendered AI video blew my mind. Yes months later everyone can do it and is bored by it an…

all ai video will be remembered as horrific and a showcase that its creators have no ethical foresight

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by Insimwytim »

sdenton4 wrote: post #410
Insimwytim wrote: post #394

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We also need to take into account, that CGI only consumes energy when the actual creation of particular video happens. "AI" consumes energy before user even started (during training). That is on top of comparison for each particular case.

Right idea, but the application is incorrect. Model training is similar to the creation of the cgi for the movie. Both happen before anyone consumes the output, and represent the up front cost for the producer. Both a movie and a language model can cost tens or hundreds of dollars to produce. In both cases additional infrastructure is needed for efficient usage: movie theaters or streaming platforms for movies, and d…

  > Model training is similar to the creation of the cgi for the movie. Both happen before anyone consumes the output
I did not say anything about consumption of the output. Maybe you misread what I wrote, it is about energy consumption.

  > Both a movie and a language model can cost
But we weren't comparing cost of the movie to cost of a language model

  > can cost tens or hundreds of dollars
But we weren't talking about dollars, we were talking about energy.

We're clearly exploring different questions.

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by bandrami »

duskwuff wrote: post #388
bandrami wrote: post #260

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There's only one highly monetizable use for AI video generation but unfortunately it's fake revenge porn. You'll know the whole thing is about to collapse when the frontier models break that glass (as OpenAI is already preparing to do with sexting).

There are others! They're just all horrible and generally revolve around weaponized misinformation - personalized scams, for instance.

Oh right. There's a bunch of panicky news stories in India about that right now. Fake video calls from your nephew in the UK or whatever needing money for an emergency

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by platevoltage »

ionwake wrote: post #343

Man I find the HN crowd so cross and fickle sometimes. I think it’s just because when companies get bad rep it affects how people view the products? Im autistic and tend to focus on the tech SORA ( whatever that means) was one of the most astounding demos I’ve probably ever seen ( ChatGPT was more gradual ). The shock and awe of rendered AI video blew my mind. Yes months later everyone can do it and is bored by it an…

The iPhone X's new feature where it approximated you facial expressions on a 3D character using the facial recognition sensors blew my mind as well.

It was a party trick. I can't remember the last time I touched it. That's what SORA is, or was.

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Post by jallmann »

jazzyjackson wrote: post #375
iterateoften wrote: post #359

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You’re most likely consuming a large quantity of genai art without even knowing it.

Sure, and there’s lot of great man made art that I don’t enjoy quite as much because I can’t get the question out of my head, is this even a photograph someone took, is this even a painting someone bothered to paint. I get the sense that there are a lot of folks that just want the end result judged on its own merits, like, is it a funny vine or not, is it a compelling beautiful digital painting or not, but I want to…

This is where curation matters, eg in a newsroom or gallery. Provenance is their job, and if done well, can connect people in a way that an unfiltered social media firehose can't.

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Post by andrewflnr »

UncleMeat wrote: post #363
Frost1x wrote: post #309

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Why does it need to be revenge porn? Pretty sure regular old porn has a large market there where people can specify what they idealistically want to see vs trying to find it, if it exists. Not every place has LEGO incest porn… or whatever the kids are into these days.

People make revenge porn to humiliate people. Regular old porn can't achieve that goal.

And yet, regular porn is highly monetizable, which was the actual question.
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