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Re: Goodbye to Sora

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The app isn’t shutting down today, so they may have decided that the write up is still useful.

More likely the team who put a lot of work into it were unaware of the decision to kill the product, regardless of the final sunset date, until today.

The document seems to be an updated version of something written last September. From a quick glance it’s not really a major overhaul.

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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I don't really disagree, but the proper way to think about it was that with Sora some of that ability democratized. Now it will be available only to the rich and powerful ( and nerdy ). Humanity may not need it per se, but removal of that option that does not automatically make it better; not if the removal is only for a portion of the population.

Nah, that's not the "proper" way to think about it, that's just your opinion. As it stands today, AI video generation tools like Sora suck up useful energy and produce things that are useless at best (throwaway short form videos), and harmful at worst (propaganda, deepfakes). Rich people were always going to do what they wanted anyway, "democratizing" that doesn't make the situation better.

>Rich people were always going to do what they wanted anyway, "democratizing" that doesn't make the situation better.

total disagree.

if you put vid gen in the hands of regular people then regular people get super-powered in that they begin to recognize the frame pacing, frame counts, and typical lengths and features of an AI video.

Do you know how many people have cited AI videos in this war? We'd all be better off if all of us were betting at spotting fakes rather than allowing the fakes to illicit hardcore emotional responses from every peon on the street.

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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To focus on code generation - arguably the easiest problem to solve. So strange that they fell behind after leading the charge on video from Will Smith spaghetti through the spectacular launch of Sora. Turns out anyone can get that look by appending “like an Octane render” Beyond that, like Kling and Hailou quickly surpassed them on product, and OpenAI never even attempted text-to-3d as if they are entirely uninteres…

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Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Nah, that's not the "proper" way to think about it, that's just your opinion. As it stands today, AI video generation tools like Sora suck up useful energy and produce things that are useless at best (throwaway short form videos), and harmful at worst (propaganda, deepfakes). Rich people were always going to do what they wanted anyway, "democratizing" that doesn't make the situation better.

So only rich people can propagandize? How is that better?

OpenAI never gave the community the weights. They always intended to monopolize it for corporate extortion, they didn't "democratize" shit.

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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This makes sense. OpenAI correctly realized overindexong on consumer where there isn’t money is not the right way. By not focusing on enterprise they ceded the market to Claude. Now they are rethinking and pivoting

Something about your phrasing is such hilarious techbrained spin. Let’s be real: OpenAI is circling the drain. The company with the fraudster serial liar CEO who said he was gonna spend a trillion dollars can’t keep a video service alive right after signing a $1 billion dollar with Disney ? What kind of a joke is that? This is a company that has blown its opportunity twiddling around with zero product. They still jus…

Why was Sam brought back? Swear it's all gone downhill for them since that debacle re. firing him.

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Notably, this primer on Sora safeguards was published only yesterday: https://openai.com/index/creating-with-sora-safely/ Not a great look that either the teams responsible for Sora didn't know this was coming or the decision was so brash that things changed overnight.

There is a link at the top of that document that takes you to the original version which was published last September. As far as I can tell it’s mostly the same as before.

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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I feel like in several years we’ll have much more capable video generation than Sora was capable of and we won’t look back at all.

I feel like you’re wrong. This is a clear signal that generative video is deeply unpopular.

I think it's inconclusive. All we can know is generative video + social AI slop feed is the incorrect business to be in at this exact moment in time while Claude is running away with the SWE market.

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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I've always suspected video-gen is basically a loss leader for OpenAI, Gemini, and Grok. They can't convince the general population that AI is world-changing trillion dollar tech with "vibe coding", but realistic fake videos are impressive at a glance, and might convince many non-technical people that AI/LLMs are something revolutionary.

Most of this “AI” stuff is dead on arrival. Most People do not care about the technology and frankly they don’t want to know about it. They want great experiences. That’s it. Technologists seem to have a reallyyyy hard time getting it.

This is what I see, outside the HN bubble. If you work retail or weld pipes together or whatever, AI is of no use to you. On the contrary, if tech thought leaders are to be believed, you'll be out of a job soon, replaced by a lifeless robot. Fuck that.

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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There's only one highly monetizable use for AI video generation but unfortunately it's fake revenge porn. You'll know the whole thing is about to collapse when the frontier models break that glass (as OpenAI is already preparing to do with sexting).

Why does it need to be revenge porn? Pretty sure regular old porn has a large market there where people can specify what they idealistically want to see vs trying to find it, if it exists. Not every place has LEGO incest porn… or whatever the kids are into these days.

I'm not deeply immersed in the AI porn space but here's what I see from the ads when I surf without a blocker:

1. There's an AI-based virtual girlfriend industry that mixes text and images

2. There's an AI-based virtual boyfriend industry that is essentially all text (and not always distinguishable from the normal chat models)

3. There's a much shadier AI-based "undress this specific woman" industry

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