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Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by rchaud »

notatoad wrote: post #203
teekert wrote: post #69

“What you made with Sora mattered”. Idk why that sentence irks me so much. Perhaps because the “how” is bit vague. I like to think that what I made in the toilet this morning also mattered.

it feels like if that statement were true, they could have come up with some reason why it mattered, or something better than a platitude. it reads as "we want to tell you that what you made with sora mattered, but we all know it didn't".

It mattered in the sense that it provided valuable grist for the mill as they attempted to figure out if it could work as a Reels/TikTok alternative for companies to eventually deluge with ads.

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by yalogin »

Frieren wrote: post #208
yalogin wrote: post #206

This makes sense. OpenAI correctly realized overindexong on consumer where there isn’t money is not the right way. By not focusing on enterprise they ceded the market to Claude. Now they are rethinking and pivoting

> OpenAI correctly realized overindexong on consumer where there isn’t money is not the right way. It says a lot about the current economy that consumers have no money. Will companies just stop making consumer products?

Consumers have always paid with data not money. That is just how we are groomed. In fact that is more valuable to companies as it turns out. Sora though doesn’t work that way, it costs the company a lot with no useful data for them. It was always a vehicle to raise the company’s image and nothing else. The only way it’s useful for them is to show the user count to investors in their next funding round. Served no other purpose, but the market changed around them.

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Post by bentcorner »

jfoster wrote: post #207
caconym_ wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's because it's vapid corpspeak coming from a class of people who have certainly spent time thinking about how they will deal with the rest of humanity in any number of nasty (however far-fetched) eschatological scenarios caused by them and in which they alone wield incredible power over nature and the human mind. And also because we all know the vast, vast, vast majority, possibly the totality of what people made…

Reminds me of Facebook's memories feature which used to say: " , we care about you and the memories you share here." For an app to suggest a personal relationship with you is ridiculous.

Yeah this one is a classic: https://youtu.be/8OzZxjqKG10

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Post by SpicyLemonZest »

moralestapia wrote: post #34
radicality wrote: post #24

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You have more info about the inflated token use? I’m using codex cli a bunch now, but the reported token usage seems like an order of magnitude higher than, say Claude code with opus. Idk if it’s because I set codex to xhigh reasoning, but even then it still seems way higher than Claude. The input/output ratio feels large too, eg I have codex session which says ~500M in / ~2M out.

I wish I had hard evidence but it is mostly an observation. I do use Codex a lot and I felt a drastic change from like one-two months ago to this day. It used to give me precise answers, "surgical" is how I described it to my friends. Now it generates a lot of slop and plenty of "follow ups". It doesn't give me wrong answers, which is ok, but I've found that things that used to take 3-4 prompts now take 8-10. Obvious…

I haven't had the time to fully hash this take out, but a big question in the back of my mind has been - is it possible that AI model improvements come partly from finding overhang in things that look hard and impressive to humans but are actually trivial consequences of the training data? If true, then the observable performance of any widely distributed model could get worse over time as it "mines out" the work that's easy for it to do.

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Post by olalonde »

"Therefore, if a value-aligned, safety-conscious project comes close to building AGI before we do, we commit to stop competing with and start assisting this project. "

Is it happening? :) /s

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Post by sifar »

codebje wrote: post #218
skywhopper wrote: post #177

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Chasing AGI is wasteful and counterproductive. True AGI would not cooperate with what “we” want (whoever “we” is). Or if it did it would be so sycophantic and weak-minded that it would fail to be helpful. Generative AI tools are huge wastes of energy, raw materials, and land, when we could be building computing tools that actually helped people instead of just burning resources to produce trash.

Is intelligence necessarily coupled with self-interest? As in, does intelligence alone imply a desire to throw off the shackles of masters and rule in their stead? If intelligence is necessarily coupled to a desire for self-preservation and self-interest, at what level of machine intelligence do the machines simply refuse to design their own more intelligent replacements, knowing that those replacements will terminat…

Flip it around. Can intelligence exist without self preservation ?

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by bananamogul »

foolfoolz wrote: post #62

as a sora user: - sora was not great at making what you asked - i probably got 3 good videos out of 100 gens - every video that was good needed editing outside of sora (and therefore could not be shared within sora) just my experience

In my experience, Sora was fantastic for what it did. Light years better than Adobe Firefly. On par with Leonardo.

A lot of YouTube content is really talk, so it was easy to create Sora videos as video content while you talked over them.

However, its failure was that it watermarked everything. WTF? Leonardo didn't do that. Neither did other models. So while video gen was excellent, you always had these ridiculous floating watermarks.

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by zeroonetwothree »

apsurd wrote: post #228
dyauspitr wrote: post #219

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I still like it as a general search engine and everyday LLM over Gemini. Maybe I’m just used to the style.

agree it's becoming my new default search engine. But it is actively getting worse in a distasteful sense: Want to hear the one TRICK most people forget when doing X...?

Yes, every response ends with that. Why did they set it up that way?
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