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Re: Apple Business

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Post by TheGamerUncle »

john_strinlai wrote: post #178
martibravo wrote: post #17

599$ serviceable MacBooks, easy to use MDM, Cloud, Email and Calendar and flat-fee AppleCare all baked in? New businesses under 50 employees are going to eat this up like there's no tomorrow. I'd be scared if I was certain Redmond corporation who makes their money on 365 and Intune.

> I'd be scared if I was certain Redmond corporation who makes their money on 365 and Intune. scared of what? microsoft doesnt need to care about new businesses with under 50 employees at all. they have governments, banks, universities, colleges, and large non-tech enterprises completely locked down. small business with 10-50 devices are a drop in the ocean. > New businesses under 50 employees are going to eat this u…

It really depends on the context and the context within the context. I used to manage a medium sized IT firm in Colombia on a hybrid manner.

One of our biggest clients had a sort of high end boutique set of businesses and two bigger businesses that interacted quite more with the regular public.

For the high end boutiques he asked us ONLY and ONLY to use mac's both because down there they are synonym of "prestige and class" and because the (very attractive) women that he hired for most roles were only familiar, or preferred mac's and were consumer's exclusively of apple's walled garden.

We had a bunch of customers like that, the real issue is that if this were on place I would have made it an option for my clients, eventually some things like security or software may move a significant number of users there, specially after the new mac mini, the neo and the ma air become budget options compared to a lot of what microsoft is offering in latam and some parts of Europe.

Re: Apple Business

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Post by general_reveal »

legitster wrote: post #254

This announcement is pretty sad. If you're wondering why Apple is an IT department nightmare, this announcement is more of a confession. Today your corporate MacBook can have ... preinstalled software! And user groups (for the Apple store and iCloud). Wait, there's more! > In addition, customers can now set up business email, calendar, and directory services with their own domain name for seamless and elevated commun…

Apple will probably deliver the best unified AI experience for productivity. Digging into Microsoft’s domain (which has been seriously selling off). Your workers will want iOS and right now its perfect timing to sell LLM subs. This is a very aggressive and opportunistic move.

Re: Apple Business

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Post by weslleyskah »

legitster wrote: post #254

This announcement is pretty sad. If you're wondering why Apple is an IT department nightmare, this announcement is more of a confession. Today your corporate MacBook can have ... preinstalled software! And user groups (for the Apple store and iCloud). Wait, there's more! > In addition, customers can now set up business email, calendar, and directory services with their own domain name for seamless and elevated commun…

Why people bother with all of this to lock the environment into some kind of corporate nightmare? Why not allow some freedom for the worker. I don't see the appeal, it feels like a claustrophobic cage

Re: Apple Business

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Post by dangus »

philistine wrote: post #159
dangus wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The computer is $600. It’s only $500 on the education store. Many Apple customers will not have access. Anyone who walks into a physical Apple Store will have to prove their eduction status. I am not sure why it’s eating competitors lunch when many very well-regarded competitors are in the price range available at stores. What’s better about a Neo than a Yoga 7? Same price range. https://www.bestbuy.com/product/lenov…

Aside from the pitiful screen resolution for a 14-inch screen and the fact that the Lenovo has a fan, they are indeed similar. But I don't know why you cannot see it as terrible for the PC makers that Apple finally has entered the sub-1000$ market. Since Apple has existed they've been in the high-end of the market, and now they're not. The Lenovo I'm sure is fine, but what it doesn't have is clarity of purpose. The N…

160 ppi is not pitiful, it's the same as a 27" 4K monitor.

Is "clarity of purpose" ghost of Steve Jobs speak for refusing features to customers?

Why is it so hard to conceive of a student wanting to write hand-written notes on a 2-in-1 laptop? Apple would rather sell you a second device.

Why are we assuming the hinge on 2-in-1 laptops can't survive? These are not new products. These are well-regarded, highly reviewed products from the #1 PC manufacturer in the world (Apple is #4).

Re: Apple Business

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Post by dangus »

carlosjobim wrote: post #163
dangus wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Serviceable != upgradable or long-lasting. So many people are going to get burned by the hypnotism of these Neos. They're going to be gateways into being traded in within 2-3 years to get something with more RAM and storage when their owners find out how much they struggle with basic tasks due to insufficient RAM and storage. If you actually go on Best Buy or Micro Center websites and look at street prices you'll rea…

Millions and millions of normal people have used 8GB M-series Macbooks for the past 5 years, and nobody has those problems you describe. In fact, everybody is happy to have machines which don't have the usual problems that PCs have. Computing tasks related to real world scenarios don't need giant RAM repositories, as evident in that people could do these tasks just fine when 32 megabytes of RAM was enough.

So what you're saying is that the same 8GB of RAM that MacBook Air M1 had 6 years ago is a good idea for a brand new laptop?

Like I said, the MacBook Neo is squarely a low-end device. Make excuses all you want, it trades RAM, storage, keyboard backlight, and battery size for a nice chassis and portability.

Re: Apple Business

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Post by dangus »

robotresearcher wrote: post #319
dangus wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The computer is $600. It’s only $500 on the education store. Many Apple customers will not have access. Anyone who walks into a physical Apple Store will have to prove their eduction status. I am not sure why it’s eating competitors lunch when many very well-regarded competitors are in the price range available at stores. What’s better about a Neo than a Yoga 7? Same price range. https://www.bestbuy.com/product/lenov…

> What’s better about a Neo than a Yoga 7? If you already have an iPhone, there are lovely little integration things that sound like small beans but are really valuable over time, eg.: - copy-paste text between devices - get verification codes from text messages to auto-fill in Safari on Mac I don't know if Yoga 7 is good in this regard, but when you open the lid on a Macbook, it's awake and interactive before you've…

So the Apple advantage is, essentially, the evasion of antitrust rules. Nice. In any event, I use KDE Connect to send my clipboard around between iOS, Windows, Android, and Linux.

The whole "instant on when you open the lid" thing is not impressive in 2026. Even with Linux my laptop is instant-on from sleep in a very similar fashion.

And, again, here I am as a broken record repeating this since nobody is listening because they've been indoctrinated by Apple marketing:

The MacBook Neo does not have as good battery life as the more expensive models! In comparison testing with other similar PC laptops the battery life is very middle of the road!

Re: Apple Business

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Post by dangus »

Schiendelman wrote: post #187
dangus wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Serviceable != upgradable or long-lasting. So many people are going to get burned by the hypnotism of these Neos. They're going to be gateways into being traded in within 2-3 years to get something with more RAM and storage when their owners find out how much they struggle with basic tasks due to insufficient RAM and storage. If you actually go on Best Buy or Micro Center websites and look at street prices you'll rea…

I think you might be very surprised by what you can do with eight gigs of RAM on Apple Silicon. Apple does hardware compression into memory - it performs as well as a 16 GB machine did with an Intel chip.

I don't know where this myth has come from that macOS magically uses less RAM even though you are using the same applications as everyone else.

The Just Josh Tech review of the MacBook Neo demonstrated that the Neo cannot do a fractional resolution playback of a very simple Adobe Premiere project. We are not even talking about doing any editing work, simply playing back the project in the timeline.

The ~$500 Acer loaded with 16GB of RAM performed much better on that workflow.

I think it's worth pointing out that the base RAM on a MacBook Air was 8GB six years ago.

The Neo is a low end machine that trades RAM, storage, keyboard backlight, I/O and battery capacity for fit and finish and aesthetics.

It is a machine that will introduce many people to the Mac, and it will be very successful, but I also think it is a machine that for many people will not last them a very long time. And who knows, that might have the same negative impact that cheap Windows PCs have had for Microsoft in the long run, which was the whole reason they started their premium Surface brand.

Re: Apple Business

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Post by Arainach »

weslleyskah wrote: post #323
legitster wrote: post #254

This announcement is pretty sad. If you're wondering why Apple is an IT department nightmare, this announcement is more of a confession. Today your corporate MacBook can have ... preinstalled software! And user groups (for the Apple store and iCloud). Wait, there's more! > In addition, customers can now set up business email, calendar, and directory services with their own domain name for seamless and elevated commun…

Why people bother with all of this to lock the environment into some kind of corporate nightmare? Why not allow some freedom for the worker. I don't see the appeal, it feels like a claustrophobic cage

There are many reasons.

* Preprovisioning - devices have the right certificates and know about your corporate networks. They have the necessary apps and just work.

* Tracking - if a device is lost or stolen, monitor where it is and remotely lock or wipe it

* Monitoring - have a log to audit if someone does something malicious

* Security - reduce the chance of your employees installing malware, spyware, etc. whether by accident or intention

* Locking things down - put gates in the way of bad actions like copying sensitive data into public apps or clouds. Even if you're unable to block everything, attempts to block remind honest employees and provide strong evidence that anyone who proceeds was intentionally violating policy and should be fired.

Etc., etc.

Re: Apple Business

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Post by df3dsfs »

AndrewKemendo wrote: post #37
bitpush wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Vision Pro.

Vision Pro failed Apple fails at every novel thing they try and crushes it at every thing they copy

Does anyone take this bozo seriously?

He writes like.... the worst comments. I genuinely hope he gets much needed help. He seems like a bitter sad man.

Re: Apple Business

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Post by ryukoposting »

weslleyskah wrote: post #323
legitster wrote: post #254

This announcement is pretty sad. If you're wondering why Apple is an IT department nightmare, this announcement is more of a confession. Today your corporate MacBook can have ... preinstalled software! And user groups (for the Apple store and iCloud). Wait, there's more! > In addition, customers can now set up business email, calendar, and directory services with their own domain name for seamless and elevated commun…

Why people bother with all of this to lock the environment into some kind of corporate nightmare? Why not allow some freedom for the worker. I don't see the appeal, it feels like a claustrophobic cage

Because corporations like to control their peons. I'm sure your work laptop is laden with the same kind of corporate bullshit, it's just that MS Exchange stopped being a hot topic like 25 years ago.
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