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Re: Apple Business

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Post by pottertheotter »

geoffharcourt wrote: post #86
meego wrote: post #77

I recently tried setting Apple Business Manager for our ≈20 people SME. The first step was "Domain Lock/Capture" which takes over all Apple accounts for a specific domain. I've never had a worse experience from Apple. The process is buggy, filled with foot-guns and dead ends. It expects huge amounts of work from users who have had their account for more than a few weeks and are expected to remove a lot of their perso…

The domain lock process was an absolute fiasco at our company. I think this could work if you did this at the time your company launched, but the moment you have employees who have Apple IDs tied to their work email that aren't from the Business Essentials system you are stuck in an impossible-to-mange place. There are several cheap MDM solutions for Apple devices that I would rather pay for than be dependent on this…

> I think this could work if you did this at the time your company launched, but the moment you have employees who have Apple IDs tied to their work email that aren't from the Business Essentials system you are stuck in an impossible-to-mange place.

I had the same thing happen but with Microsoft. A friend and I had started a small consulting business and were using Google Workspace, but I needed a Microsoft account to interact with a client. I made one with my business email. None of us knew any better, but I couldn’t connect with our client’s Microsoft setup because it was a personal account. So I went to set up a business account. It was a whole fiasco and the only way I could really fix it was create an alias and use that for Microsoft.

Re: Apple Business

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Post by theonemind »

rogerrogerr wrote: post #191
Henchman21 wrote: post #173

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Everything is half-hearted from Apple since Steve died. He was the beating heart. Who has stepped into that role? Like for real? Anyone? I’m just not seeing it

Does it matter? Apple's revenue/profit was $108B/$25B in 2011. It was $416B/$112B in 2025. They're clearly doing something right.

I think the average idiot can take a really strong business and weaken the bones for some quarters or years of extra profit, possibly insane profit, before lack of focus on what really made the company strong starts to erode the fundamentals. I think we’re seeing that with Apple personally. It’s just colossal though so there’s a lot of squeezing and a lot of profit before it really catches up. And they don’t even disappear. They just become lumbering monsters like Microsoft, IBM, and HP that people don’t use because they want to. HP was legitimately a great company.

Re: Apple Business

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Post by jamiecurle »

pottertheotter wrote: post #283
wil421 wrote: post #266

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How does a company allow personal Apple IDs?

I think the idea is that it happens before they lock the domain as a business. Before that, if you have an email address you can create a personal account with it.

yes, that's exactly how it happens.

Re: Apple Business

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Post by jimmoores »

The statement that Apple has been supporting businesses for decades is just the most self-serving bunch of crap. You can tell how thin this is by the way they push local ads on Maps as some kind of headline feature. What a joke.

Re: Apple Business

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Post by velocity3230 »

givinguflac wrote: post #279
AndrewKemendo wrote: post #64

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There were literally thousands of smart watches that were launched prior to the Apple Watch Garmin anyone? I think Timex and Casio even had ones in the 90s

Which ones of those can do notifications, health tracking, sleep cycle, temperature/blood pressure? I’ll wait.

Garmin.

Re: Apple Business

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Post by quietsegfault »

givinguflac wrote: post #257
quietsegfault wrote: post #145

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This was my experience switching from GMail to Apple’s mail service. I switched back after a few days.

Genuinely curious, what were the Apple mail service issues for you? I hate gmail and have had zero issues with my @Mac.com email in 20+ years, that I’ve noticed. Thanks

Lots and lots of missing messages. That was the big one. Anything from a SaaS just never arrived, like tickets, notifications, etc. I had random IMAP authentication failures too.

Re: Apple Business

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Post by aucisson_masque »

> including a new option coming this summer that will enable businesses in the U.S. and Canada to place local ads in Maps during key search and discovery moments.

It's happening. The end is near !!!

Re: Apple Business

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Post by jimmoores »

genthree wrote: post #72
selectively wrote: post #22

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Microsoft is a giant enterprise software company that also publishes Candy Crush and Call of Duty. Intune and Windows are 'nice to have' but are not the business-business. The business is 365 (which runs on Macs and is worlds better than Apple's office suite + Apple's hosted email is god awful) and Azure.

Apple's office suite is my favorite I've ever used, and it's not close. After that, old copies of MSOffice. Next-best would be a hodgepodge of the lighter options on Linux and such. Gnumeric, Abiword, that sort of thing. Not great, but at least they're light on resources and easy to use. Distantly after that, LibreOffice. Then, modern MSOffice in last place. The only reason I'd count any of them as "worse" than moder…

Frankly, if you think that, you're not exactly a power user of office suites. Apple apps are a complete joke in the professional world.

Re: Apple Business

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Post by jamiecurle »

IrishTechie wrote: post #203
FireBeyond wrote: post #149

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Apple and MDM has always been a shit show. In the days as recently as Ventura (last time I tried it), MDM bypass was as simple as "null route 4 DNS entries during install process, remove null routing after install complete, and never be bothered by it again". This is on Apple Silicon. With no workarounds or anything, upgrades work all the way up to Tahoe. Like really Apple, that's your device "locking"? I could test…

The baffling thing is that iOS+MDM has been fantastic over the years. macOS is a completely different beast though.

MacOS used to be excellent for a short period of time when Fleetsmith existed. Then Apple purchased Fleetsmith around 2020 and killed the product not long after.

Fortunately around the same time, JamF ended the practice of the mandatory Jamf JumpStart (£5K fee), which finally made Jamf a feasible option for the company I was in at the time.

Re: Apple Business

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Post by xp84 »

givinguflac wrote: post #257
quietsegfault wrote: post #145

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This was my experience switching from GMail to Apple’s mail service. I switched back after a few days.

Genuinely curious, what were the Apple mail service issues for you? I hate gmail and have had zero issues with my @Mac.com email in 20+ years, that I’ve noticed. Thanks

Do you find that iCloud email can correctly handle both “true spam” (meaning the nonsense garbage kind) and “promotional email” effectively?
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