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Wine 11 rewrites how Linux runs Windows games at kernel with massive speed gains

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Re: Wine 11 rewrites how Linux runs Windows games at kernel with massive speed gains

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Post by tombert »

ticulatedspline wrote: post #4

Wine might be oddly self-defeating. Broad game support on Linux increases the viability of Linux as a desktop, which increases market share, which may result in developers creating Linux ports as a 1st class concern, which don't need Wine to run.

I actually think it'll be the opposite. Even for games that have native ports I pretty much always run the Windows version with Proton, since that just tends to be more stable. People develop against the Windows API because it's familiar and somewhat unchanging, and that's fine since Proton does such a good job running it.

Re: Wine 11 rewrites how Linux runs Windows games at kernel with massive speed gains

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Post by brailsafe »

adelmotsjr wrote: post #5

Reading these posts always make me feel like an imposter. People are dealing with such low level things, while i'm outta here building simple CRUDs.

Start working through the layers! It's incredibly rewarding to go from just typical day job stuff to understanding bits and pieces of esoteric low level implementation. One level at a time, it's not that bad, although it is hard and takes effort. I know next to nothing either, but having felt the same way a few years ago, these kind of posts now at least excite me instead of just intimidate.

Re: Wine 11 rewrites how Linux runs Windows games at kernel with massive speed gains

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Post by eurg »

adelmotsjr wrote: post #5

Reading these posts always make me feel like an imposter. People are dealing with such low level things, while i'm outta here building simple CRUDs.

All good. I tell people how to add another mailbox to their Outlook, "click here, now there". Not glorious. Necessary anyways.

Re: Wine 11 rewrites how Linux runs Windows games at kernel with massive speed gains

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Post by hu3 »

> Dirt 3 went from 110.6 FPS to 860.7 FPS

> Resident Evil 2 jumped from 26 FPS to 77 FPS

> Call of Juarez went from 99.8 FPS to 224.1 FPS

> Tiny Tina's Wonderlands saw gains from 130 FPS to 360 FPS

Amazing. I don't understand the low level details on how such a massive speed gain was ripe for the picking but I welcome!

I guess thanks Valve for pouring money into Proton.

Re: Wine 11 rewrites how Linux runs Windows games at kernel with massive speed gains

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Post by tombert »

Wine is a project that I've grown a near-infinite level of respect for.

I don't know for sure, but I suspect that a lot of the work for Wine is boring and thankless. Digging through and trying to get exact parity with both the documented and undocumented behavior of Windows for the past 30 years doesn't sound fun, but it's finding every little weird edge case that makes Wine a viable product.

The fact that Wine runs a lot of games better than Windows now (especially older games) shows a very strong attention to detail and a high tolerance for pain. I commend them for it.

Re: Wine 11 rewrites how Linux runs Windows games at kernel with massive speed gains

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Post by _flux »

krastanov wrote: post #8
ticulatedspline wrote: post #4

Wine might be oddly self-defeating. Broad game support on Linux increases the viability of Linux as a desktop, which increases market share, which may result in developers creating Linux ports as a 1st class concern, which don't need Wine to run.

Wine's APIs are more stable than Linux's APIs, so it seems more plausible to me that Wine will become the first class target itself.

What I'd like to see would be some useful extra APIs in Wine, that would allow it to perform even better in some situations, and that such APIs would be then embraced by the game developers.

Finally some embrace, extend, and extinguish love right back at Microsoft!

Re: Wine 11 rewrites how Linux runs Windows games at kernel with massive speed gains

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Post by watashiato »

Before anyone gets too excited about ntsync, the performance gains are (with few exceptions) mild, usually in the lower single percentage range. These extreme gains are the result of benching against vanilla wine without fsync, anyone playing demanding games on linux would have been doing so using fsync. This is mentioned in the article but treated like a side note. I've been running benchmarks between both and while the performance increase is real, please temper your expectations. A few titles might also run slightly worse.

Re: Wine 11 rewrites how Linux runs Windows games at kernel with massive speed gains

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Post by Jblx2 »

ticulatedspline wrote: post #4

Wine might be oddly self-defeating. Broad game support on Linux increases the viability of Linux as a desktop, which increases market share, which may result in developers creating Linux ports as a 1st class concern, which don't need Wine to run.

If you game/app runs on Wine, doesn't that reduce the pressure to develop a Linux port?
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