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Re: I quit editing photos

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I admire what this person is doing, but some reasons I prefer raw + lightroom over eg camera jpeg are: * Lightroom’s noise reduction is WAY better than what my camera (a D500) can do. I shoot sports, usually indoors, with highish iso, so NR’s gonna have to happen at some point. * If I’m going to lug around a dedicated camera, I’m gonna have it do its best . I have my iPhone for everything else. * I can apply today’s…

Adobe's AI noise reduction is absolutely first class. The AI adaptive color feature has also saved me on a ton of old photos taken on older DSLRs and smartphones.

Re: I quit editing photos

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This looks right up my alley. Does it properly support true monochrome raw DNG files? I.E., cameras that don't have a bayer filter and don't require a debayering pass. I'm shooting a Pentax K3 Mark III Monochrome, although Leica has a couple true monochrome cameras and there are services that will de-bayer cameras and modify the firmware to achieve similar ends.

Also there are the Phase One Achromatic backs. Which Lightroom does not even support :(

I need to fix Phase One support in Filmulator. LibRaw has some additional processing steps required that I didn't manage to figure out last time I worked on it.

Re: I quit editing photos

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The problem isn't that keepers necessarily need editing, the problem is that it is tempting (to some) to spend more time than they need simply because they can. Or because they feel they should. (Don't watch people ruining photos and making up for their lack of talent on youtube) I shoot with post-processing in mind because I have years of experience with the cameras I use, so I know how they work. I rarely do that m…

> Most of them take mediocre to bad shots and then somehow manage to make them worse. Examples of this? What do you consider mediocre, but is still hugely popular?

It would be unkind to single anyone out so I am not going to. The thing is, I can for the life of me not think of a single photo influencer/youtuber who is also a popular _photographer_. They're popular influencers/youtubers.

As for what I mean by mediocre: let's say you are looking at a portrait of someone you don't know. If you can't remember it 10-30 minutes later, it was probably mediocre or worse. Would you recognize the subject if you met them on the a street one day later?

Most portraits tend to be bad because they completely fail to capture the subject. People fuss over lighting and editing and color grading and whatnot, but they don't actually pay attention to the person they are shooting. I see quite a few of these people with huge social media followings who can't, for the life of them, take pictures of humans. And yet, they teach their inability to make portraits to others.

I also know professional photographers who are genuinely bad at taking portraits. And then there are those rare people who just nail it most of the time. Notice this when looking at a portrait of someone you know. Is it "them"?

Another category where you see a lot of bad photos is wildlife photography. You will see endless pictures of birds that possibly could go in a bird-spotting book purely for identification purposes. But, to steal a line from my wife after looking at a certain facebook group "it's just a bunch of tack sharp ducks set against blurred out sky". And my wife spends an inordinate amount of time looking at birds.

All you need to make bad nature photography is a big lens, a location and some time. It takes no talent. All you need to make technically good, but completely pointless nature photos is a big lens, a location, time and a decent modern camera. Then turn on 3D tracking and spray whenever something moves. Animals live in nature -- they belong in context -- they do things. Good nature photographers manage to communicate this.

(I was actually tempted to name the "it's just a bunch of tack sharp ducks..."-group, but I'm not going to. Though it isn't that hard to guess).

We drown in technically excellent images that are dull as crap.

(To be clear: I'm a mediocre photographer. I'm very aware of it. I occasionally shoot something that may be worth looking at -- but still rarely something you'd remember)

Re: I quit editing photos

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I don't want to dunk on people who are discovering the charms of retro tech, but as someone who started with film and spent a fair amount of time in the darkroom, I was delighted to discover the hassle-free simplicity and dependability of digital photography, so it is a bit mind-boggling that people want to go back to the old way of doing things for their everyday snaps. It reminds me of people buying vinyl, using VH…

Film gets better results with less effort - but more money.

Re: I quit editing photos

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The question I why did you edit photos? What was goal? Why were you doing it in the first place?

I guess the thing you have discovered shooting analog is that each click is a finite resource so you spend more time composing and being aware of the scene before you take the photo.

Saving £20 is nice.

Having your 36 snapshots developed at a decent lab will cost you more.

In you are paying them additionally for edits as well you are on longer saving money. You just pay someone else.

Or are you giving it to a company that runs it through an automated usually digital these days sometimes analog machine that develops them automatically? Those machines usually do edits as well. But highly automated ones. (I am not sure they make them anymore)

Having my medium format film developed is far from cheap.

Lightroom is far from the only editor out there and it is not a great editor to start with. Lightroom is a Frankenstein combination of of a DAM and an editor.

You probably will want some form of DAM to organize your photos regardless.

Re: I quit editing photos

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Also there are the Phase One Achromatic backs. Which Lightroom does not even support :(

I need to fix Phase One support in Filmulator. LibRaw has some additional processing steps required that I didn't manage to figure out last time I worked on it.

Lightroom doesn't even process IQ4 150 (RGB) files correctly either, there's in back calibration that is missing, resulting in a bunch of lower right corner amp glow(?).

Capture One with the same back is fine/the back went to Japan to get repaired only a few months ago and has a brand new main controller board/calibration...

Re: I quit editing photos

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> I think it's more about signaling some cultural identity than any objective benefits of the "retro" process. I think it could be that, or simply that people want to try a different experience. Digital photography started out as the easier, faster, and cheaper option, but the experience of using it and even the culture around photography itself has changed over time. Going back to the roots once in a while can feel…

> And paying for a monthly subscription is probably overkill for most casual photographers. But film (the actual roll + development + scan) is very expensive, at least in my parts. Sure, you may mean "casual" as in "maybe shoots a roll a film a year", in which case I guess it's quite cheaper than an Adobe LR subscription. But if you shoot a roll a month or more? Then Adobe wins hands down (I'm talking the photography…

Yes, financially doesn't make much sense to go from digital to film. Film costs, absolutely. But you end up shooting less, thinking more, waiting for the right shot and so on. You also move sliders/tweak less and mistakes teach you lessons that you quickly learn from. Sometimes there are happy accidents as well. Taking a shot becomes a deliberate action since you don't have unlimited frames. It's a different experience. Yes, the Adobe light room seems cheap in comparison to film but, that's the wrong comparison IMO. There are other tools out there that are much cheaper than Adobe's offerings if not completely free. Digital has made photography available to the masses, everybody's got a camera nowadays. However, it did kill something and what it killed is what these folk are looking for (that something that got lost in the process).

I'm not into photography anymore and will stick to cheap digital photography for convenience (smart phone) but I could see how this works out for these folks and I believe it's not just a fad or signaling. Similarly, for music, analog instruments could be replicated and enhanced digitally/electronically and yet they're what you're after sometimes.

Re: I quit editing photos

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I don't want to dunk on people who are discovering the charms of retro tech, but as someone who started with film and spent a fair amount of time in the darkroom, I was delighted to discover the hassle-free simplicity and dependability of digital photography, so it is a bit mind-boggling that people want to go back to the old way of doing things for their everyday snaps. It reminds me of people buying vinyl, using VH…

> If you want to limit yourself to 36 unreviewed shots, you can do that with digital too. I’m not sure that’s true. At least, not nearly as hard-constrained as with film. I agree with your broader point, but let’s be completely honest. Digital is not a free lunch. You do lose something somewhere. The medium you use “leaks” deeply into the whole experience of life (be it a vacation trip or something else). So all of t…

>> > If you want to limit yourself to 36 unreviewed shots, you can do that with digital too.

> I’m not sure that’s true. At least, not nearly as hard-constrained as with film.

Just grab your camera of choice, look at the average file size, multiply it by 36, and format a partition on your memory card of that size. Bonus points if your camera uses adaptive compression, so maybe you'll get a bit fewer or a bit more photos per card depending on what you shot! Isn't that even more interesting than film? You know exactly how many exposures you get up front with a roll, now you'll have to wait and find out!

> Digital is not a free lunch. You do lose something somewhere.

Right. But I bet that, just like the OP, most people will outsource development and scanning of their film rolls, meaning they don't control the process. That's just digital with extra steps.

Re: I quit editing photos

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I went one step farther and quit taking photos. And this is after many years of hobbiest photography in the film era, had a darkroom at home, SLR with several lenses. Early digital cameras were underwhelming, basically the equivalent of a 110 film snapshot camera. By the time they got good I had started to reflect on the fact that I almost never went back and looked at any of the photos I'd taken, so I just stopped.…

> I enjoy the moment, and have the memories.

I don't disagree with your "enjoy the moment" thesis, but I also envy your memory recall capability. For me, photos can resurrect memories I don't have access to normally.

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