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Re: No Terms. No Conditions

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

nickff wrote: post #63
lxgr wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I recently had to confirm to a brokerage that I won’t be using the money I’m withdrawing for any illegal activities. A sure sign of a legal team or possibly an entire legal system having lost the plot. Hopefully only the former.

This is probably a meek attempt at demonstrating compliance with Anti-Money-Laundering (AML) laws and regulations. Lawyers will often suggest this sort of thing, because the only cost is a slight inconvenience to the client, and it might suggest 'good faith' in the case of a prosecution or enforcement action.

So, the entire legal system.

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Post by josephg »

lxgr wrote: post #46
goodmythical wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right? Why include that? The law automatically applies. Including it in the license is just redundant. Had it simply read "You may use this site for any purpose." or "You may use this site." or "You may use this" or "This can be used." it would have the same level actual restriciton in that you obviously aren't allowed to use it to break the law regardless of what it actually says. And, having typed all that, I reali…

I recently had to confirm to a brokerage that I won’t be using the money I’m withdrawing for any illegal activities. A sure sign of a legal team or possibly an entire legal system having lost the plot. Hopefully only the former.

> I won’t be using the money I’m withdrawing for any illegal activities.

My guess is that this is so they can ban any drug dealers from their site without consequence. "They violated our terms of service your honour!"

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Post by terrabiped »

j_bizzle wrote: post #48
goodmythical wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right? Why include that? The law automatically applies. Including it in the license is just redundant. Had it simply read "You may use this site for any purpose." or "You may use this site." or "You may use this" or "This can be used." it would have the same level actual restriciton in that you obviously aren't allowed to use it to break the law regardless of what it actually says. And, having typed all that, I reali…

It's almost like the most effective way to publish without T&Cs is to just, you know, omit the section and publish what you want without T&Cs.

Interesting question. I wonder what the default (implied) T&C would be if nothing has been explicitly stated. For example, publishing a source code without an explicit license doesn't make it open source.

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

modzu wrote: post #65

i do wonder if the world would be a better place if instead of lawyers we had cage matches

Southwest Airlines got sued by some other company over, IIRC, color schemes. Southwest's CEO (Herb Kelleher) made an offer to the other CEO: They skip the lawyers and settle it with an arm-wrestling contest. The other CEO agreed.

Eventually, they wound up selling tickets to the match, and donated the proceeds to charity.

Now that's a civilized way to conduct a lawsuit.

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Post by usea »

knorker wrote: post #17

This does not read like it was written by a professional. Non-professionals writing licenses and T&Cs cause problems because no organization, for profit or not, wants to be dragged into court to get a "common sense" definition of a word or comma defined, at their expense. I've heard of large organizations reaching out to places who use amateur T&Cs and licenses, saying "if we give you $X, can you dual license this as…

It's common for non-lawyers to write terms and conditions, and other contracts.

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Post by Retr0id »

ellyagg wrote: post #60
Retr0id wrote: post #18

I wonder how many one-sentence prompts have made it to the HN front page at this point.

I don’t know, but it’s kind of boring to speculate since computers easily beat us at chess and go.

Preventing computer-based cheating in competitive chess is a big deal (and I assume go also), because spectators tend not to want to watch two computers playing against each other.
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