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Reddit user captures video of 2012 voting machines altering votes

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Re: Reddit user captures video of 2012 voting machines altering votes

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Calibration!! Really?? Any software/hardware developer here worth his/her salt would agree that can't be it. Let's see what could have happened: 1) The Y axis of the screen was maladjusted 2) Touch Sensitivity of the screen was reduced due to incorrect settings 3) Touch area had hair/dust/oil on it. But if you read the voter's story it happened only for Obama's field. Don't they have independent watchdogs looking aft…

> But if you read the voter's story it happened only for Obama's field.

Easy explanation- the voter was lying.

Re: Reddit user captures video of 2012 voting machines altering votes

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I know that this will remain at the bottom of this thread, because it doesn't have enough conspiracy theory in it, but does anyone really think that this is actual vote tampering ? I mean, why on earth would you tamper with a voting machine so that it stuffs the ballot, but have it update the UI so that the user can see and report the error? This should fall to the way side of failing basic logic, but it doesn't beca…

I agree. Has no one here used a touchscreen on an airplane seat before, it's usually more than one finger width offset...

Re-read the article. The guy tested just for that and it wasn't a case.

Re: Reddit user captures video of 2012 voting machines altering votes

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Depends on what you mean by smarter. Someone who votes Democrat is equally likely to have a college education as a Republican.

Source? I have never heard this.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/polls/#USP00p1

The best educational demographic for Democrats is "No High School". The best for Republicans is "College Graduate".

Re: Reddit user captures video of 2012 voting machines altering votes

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But what is the other explanation then?

touchscreen calibration errors or related software glitches. I've certainly seen my own phone get screwed up enough on occasion that a touch on point x registered at y.

except the guy who recorded it claims that selecting candidate that's below Obama worked correctly.

Re: Reddit user captures video of 2012 voting machines altering votes

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Unfortunately current US elections are unauditable because voting machines DO NOT produce any kind of verifiable voting trail Please stop. The machine in the video (at least when deployed in NC) absolutely has a paper receipt that gets printed every time a button is pressed.

Fine for that machine. According to http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/how-to/computer-s... a quarter of the country in this election will use paperless machines. No paper trail at all. According to polls, the election will be decided by swing states that are expected to have margins of victory under 4%. If, hypothetically, the election is decided for Romney in states like Pennsylvania which polls indicated w…

According to http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/how-to/computer-s.... a quarter of the country in this election will use paperless machines. No paper trail at all.

You aren't reading your source correctly.

Re: Reddit user captures video of 2012 voting machines altering votes

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Bubbles seem stupid to me. It's a lot easier and less subjective on review to fill in an arrow than it is to fill in a bubble. Here's an example ballot of what I'm talking about: http://www.town.oregon.wi.us/uploads/ckfiles/images/nov_06_s...

Here's what our ballots look like: http://www.leinfelden-echterdingen.de/servlet/PB/show/141628... There's never been any real discussion about it being complicated, confusing or needing any other kind of design change. (Which isn't to say that you couldn't make arguments in that vein.)

Similar to our ballots in New Zealand http://www.elections.org.nz/files/sample_ballot_paper_copy.g...

There's not much room for error in this design - it seems to work well for us.

Re: Reddit user captures video of 2012 voting machines altering votes

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Yeah - politicians who happen to agree with you must obviously not be lying.

We can use data, like factcheck, to figure it out http://www.factcheck.org/

I'm 100% in favor of that on specific issues, and I wouldn't dispute a claim that Republicans lie more. But calling the Republic Party the "party of liars" and using that argument during a discussion of voter fraud? Not classy. Especially not in this community.

Re: Reddit user captures video of 2012 voting machines altering votes

#359

I know that this will remain at the bottom of this thread, because it doesn't have enough conspiracy theory in it, but does anyone really think that this is actual vote tampering ? I mean, why on earth would you tamper with a voting machine so that it stuffs the ballot, but have it update the UI so that the user can see and report the error? This should fall to the way side of failing basic logic, but it doesn't beca…

I agree. Has no one here used a touchscreen on an airplane seat before, it's usually more than one finger width offset...

America: Our electronic voting is just as good as our airplane seats

:)

Re: Reddit user captures video of 2012 voting machines altering votes

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What about, e.g. taking a video of your vote as the original Reddit poster did? I think this verification may already be a reality. The alternative is to disallow any form of verification, as with the Reddit poster, but then we lose the ability to perform checks on the voting procedure, and would never have known about this current anomaly. What's missing, though, is the proof that who you voted for is who the vote w…

Even taking video is illegal, as that could also be used as evidence of voting for a particular candidate, allowing candidates to buy votes.

Taking video is not illegal in all states.

http://www.citmedialaw.org/legal-guide/documenting-your-vote...

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