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LaGuardia pilots raised safety alarms months before deadly runway crash

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Re: LaGuardia pilots raised safety alarms months before deadly runway crash

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post #36

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The FAA's problems are systemic and structural. They've existed long, long before the 2024 election.

It certainly didn't help.[1] [1] https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/how-doges-cutbacks-at-the-...

the headline literally says "could", not that it did. can you point to evidence that DOGE cutbacks did negatively affect aviation safety, particularly with regards to ATCs?

Re: LaGuardia pilots raised safety alarms months before deadly runway crash

#53
post #48

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Couldn’t we just… wait to see what FAA says before coming up with our own (entirely speculative) theories?

Can we trust the FAA's conclusion? Its previous head had a term that didn't expire until 2028 but he resigned after pressure from Elon Musk (who didn't like that he got fined), now a Trump-friendly head has been installed. What, realistically, would be the consequences if he lied? Likely none. Government officials lying on record is an every day occurrence these days.

True! Assumptions and speculation are always better.

I’m glad we’ve made our conclusions up front before the report has even come out.

That saves me a lot of reading!

Re: LaGuardia pilots raised safety alarms months before deadly runway crash

#54
Does anyone know why the fire truck was driving across the runway in the first place? Was it a patrol, repositioning the truck, or was there an active incident that they were responding to? Seems like reducing the number of times you have to drive across an active runway is in general a good thing, but perhaps at an airport this old this is the only way to get from A to B.

Re: LaGuardia pilots raised safety alarms months before deadly runway crash

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post #5

I just hope they don't try to pin this on the controller who was on duty and move on without putting plans in place for some sort of structural change. Controllers are forced to work 60+ hour weeks and overnight shifts, and the controller in question was working both ground and air control simultaneously due to staffing shortages. If you listen to the ATC audio, he was handling finding a spot for a plane that aborted…

Hopefully some commercial professional pilots will comment on this thread, but if you go to sites where they normally hang out like:

https://www.airlinepilotforums.com

You will see many are terrified ( in commercial pilot terms...) of flying into La Guardia or JFK...

Re: LaGuardia pilots raised safety alarms months before deadly runway crash

#56
post #5

I just hope they don't try to pin this on the controller who was on duty and move on without putting plans in place for some sort of structural change. Controllers are forced to work 60+ hour weeks and overnight shifts, and the controller in question was working both ground and air control simultaneously due to staffing shortages. If you listen to the ATC audio, he was handling finding a spot for a plane that aborted…

> the controller in question was working both ground and air control simultaneously due to staffing shortages

How many planes land at LGA in the middle the night?

One controller overnight is completely reasonable.

Re: LaGuardia pilots raised safety alarms months before deadly runway crash

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Can you elaborate on what change you would like to occur? I have voted based on getting particular people nominated within a federal agency, requires the President to pick someone who will 100% be from their party, and a Senate committee that will confirm them people tend to think "I'm voting against my best interests" without knowing that the agency control was my best interest as it will most likely continue shapin…

Very doubtful whatever agency you can conjour up as an excuse will be more impactful than the country wide changed induced by the overall administration

Re: LaGuardia pilots raised safety alarms months before deadly runway crash

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post #14

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How do you know it was due to staffing shortages? It is common at LGA for one controller to be handling Tower and Ground late at night.

And therein lies the problem. Clearly, having one overworked controller running a combined tower is not safe nor sustainable.

Planes landing at a rate of one every 30-40 minutes isn't exactly "overworked."

Re: LaGuardia pilots raised safety alarms months before deadly runway crash

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post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can we trust the FAA's conclusion? Its previous head had a term that didn't expire until 2028 but he resigned after pressure from Elon Musk (who didn't like that he got fined), now a Trump-friendly head has been installed. What, realistically, would be the consequences if he lied? Likely none. Government officials lying on record is an every day occurrence these days.

True! Assumptions and speculation are always better. I’m glad we’ve made our conclusions up front before the report has even come out. That saves me a lot of reading!

Come on, this is silly. The fact that air traffic controllers are overworked is neither an assumption nor speculation. It is very widely documented.

Re: LaGuardia pilots raised safety alarms months before deadly runway crash

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post #56
post #5

I just hope they don't try to pin this on the controller who was on duty and move on without putting plans in place for some sort of structural change. Controllers are forced to work 60+ hour weeks and overnight shifts, and the controller in question was working both ground and air control simultaneously due to staffing shortages. If you listen to the ATC audio, he was handling finding a spot for a plane that aborted…

> the controller in question was working both ground and air control simultaneously due to staffing shortages How many planes land at LGA in the middle the night? One controller overnight is completely reasonable.

>> One controller overnight is completely reasonable

So if said controller has a medical episode?

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