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Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by dude250711 »

Macha wrote: post #7

It’s quite common for companies to work their way up to the line of the most user hostile version of their product that users will tolerate. Especially with software where they can just go flip a switch and turn off whatever feature did cross the line but keep everything they gained by inching up to the line, which seems to inevitably result in things like the condition of windows 11. I think the only way this gets b…

I think managers were promoted for infecting their features with Copilot, and developers for infecting them with React, and here we are.

OneDrive managers on the other hand are one step away from inventing some way of adding a gacha mechanic.

Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by baq »

Macha wrote: post #7

It’s quite common for companies to work their way up to the line of the most user hostile version of their product that users will tolerate. Especially with software where they can just go flip a switch and turn off whatever feature did cross the line but keep everything they gained by inching up to the line, which seems to inevitably result in things like the condition of windows 11. I think the only way this gets b…

> It’s quite common for companies to work their way up to the line of the most user hostile version of their product that users will tolerate.

this is in general how the market for pretty much everything works (sometimes 'users' are replaced by 'the regulator', but it doesn't matter too much).

lesson in there is 'majority of users don't care nearly as much as you think', usually.

Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by Wobbles42 »

i_cannot_hack wrote: post #13

Pulling the emergency break promising to improve a situation will in general not build any trust unless the mea culpa also includes: 1. An analysis of what allowed the situation to get out of control to begin with 2. Systematic changes to prevent it from happening again Otherwise you will just be in the same situation again in 3 years. And neither is included in Microsoft's messaging here.

I don't really see that happening here.

Microsoft doesn't have any trust to lose, and they won't be gaining any by this move.

That is the one advantage they have in all of this. Their public image is as bad as it can get.

Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by nunodonato »

jacooper wrote: post #6
no_shadowban_3 wrote: post #2

These flowers smell like shit. If you don't use Linux or MacOS yet, why?

Macs are too expensive for the same performance/ram, and Linux still can't run proper creative software.

are you a creative professional? because I see that argument quite often as if people use Adobe CS daily, and then its mostly people who do basic stuff (that photopea or gimp can handle fine), but they like to feel "pro" by launching their pirated version of photoshop.

Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by yourusername »

jacooper wrote: post #6
no_shadowban_3 wrote: post #2

These flowers smell like shit. If you don't use Linux or MacOS yet, why?

Macs are too expensive for the same performance/ram, and Linux still can't run proper creative software.

This used to be the case but looking at Macbooks now they are not much more expensive than a Windows laptop you would actually want to buy. And since they will still have some residual value 5 years from now i think it's about even.

Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by mschild »

ptero wrote: post #11

Microsoft lost its way much earlier than 4 years ago. It abused users at the time of Netscape wars and forcing Internet Explorer down people's throats. But they hit an infinite gold mine with government adoption and for the last 30 years no amount of bad engineering was able to shake off government use. Windows 11 is bad? Yes, but did you try Microsoft Teams? The only way to force Microsoft into "users matter" engine…

I find Teams is often simply picked because of cost reasons.

A lot of companies are paying for office and teams comes bundled with it. Why pay extra when its included?

Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by scrollop »

dude250711 wrote: post #24
no_shadowban_3 wrote: post #2

These flowers smell like shit. If you don't use Linux or MacOS yet, why?

Because they suck.

I moved to ultramarine linux and it's great - fast, has a nifty desktop management system, a few bugs but more than happy compared to using microsoft.

"It sucks"

Ha!

Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by bob1029 »

no_shadowban_3 wrote: post #2

These flowers smell like shit. If you don't use Linux or MacOS yet, why?

I use a blend of Windows, MacOS, iOS and Linux.

Each is good at its own thing. I don't understand the game of picking exactly one hill to die on.

I spend about 60% of my time on Apple operating systems, and 40% elsewhere. Windows really does suck from a UX perspective, but if you are trying to make money doing things professionally with a computer, it's hard to beat. Running outlook and office on Mac just doesn't hit the same way.

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