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Mayor of Paris removed parking spaces, reduced the number of cars

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Re: Mayor of Paris removed parking spaces, reduced the number of cars

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Motorized and bikes are not exclusive.

Ugh... You know perfectly well from context that by "bikes" I meant "bicycles". I am making the effort of speaking in your language, please don't use these linguistic gotchas against me.

I don't know any difference between bikes and bicycles. I am also not a native English speaker. This wasn't supposed to be a linguistic gotcha, but a semantic one.

Re: Mayor of Paris removed parking spaces, reduced the number of cars

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How many kids do you have? How comfortable is the downtown core for families with 2-3 kids?

Enough playgrounds last time I visited.

Okay, but how convenient is it to get 2-3 kids all the places they need to go using Paris’s public transport?

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The footprint of the car matters. When cars get 5% longer, the same number of people in cars takes 5% more roadway, which adds up quickly, because the difference between smoothly-flowing traffic and jammed traffic is a fragile equilibrium dominated by breakpoints. Furthermore, heavier cars accelerate and decelerate slower than lighter cars, which has a compounding effect on decreasing overall throughput.

That isn't true. Most of the space a car takes is empty as you need long distances between cars.

No, the length you need between cars is variable and depends on the speed of traffic and the time it takes for a car to come to a stop. The longer a car is, the heavier it is (frames do not have negative weight), and the heavier it is, the longer the stopping distance is. Please don't bother commenting further on something you're so belligerently clueless about.

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France as a whole is way too centralized on Paris and it's actually hurting the country. If you do read French, there is a very interesting book from 2024 (IIRC) about this. It's called "Quand le parisianisme écrase la France". Before reading this book I always thought Germany (where I grew up) was the exception for being more decentralized. But it looks like actually France is way more centralized even compared to o…

How is it hurting the country? Japan seems fine with it. Or maybe it’s a scapegoat?

It is hurting Japan pretty bad too.

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Enough playgrounds last time I visited.

Okay, but how convenient is it to get 2-3 kids all the places they need to go using Paris’s public transport?

kids go to school using public transport. i mean. lots of people don't have a driving license in the first place.

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Interesting ! My comparison was indeed limited, I only lived in center of Den Haag as a foreigner. Decentralization has its pros and cons, but Paris is way too centralized around Chatelet sometimes.

France as a whole is way too centralized on Paris and it's actually hurting the country. If you do read French, there is a very interesting book from 2024 (IIRC) about this. It's called "Quand le parisianisme écrase la France". Before reading this book I always thought Germany (where I grew up) was the exception for being more decentralized. But it looks like actually France is way more centralized even compared to o…

> Before reading this book I always thought Germany (where I grew up) was the exception for being more decentralized. But it looks like actually France is way more centralized even compared to other pretty centralized countries.

This is closely related to the concept of primate cities (you can read its wikipedia page for more details if interested). Essentially, places like France, UK, Russia (countries with primate cities) have an unusually/disproportionately high concentration of population in the largest city. There are some pros but unsurprisingly cons as well.

Re: Mayor of Paris removed parking spaces, reduced the number of cars

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Slightly off-topic but NYC went through a similar process when congestion pricing met legal battle after legal battle. Long to short, there was a calculated effort to make midtown less and less vehicle-friendly. The "hack" was to take streets / aves and repurpose those for pedestrians. Special walking lanes, more "park cafes", bike lanes, etc. None were stated as being anti-vehicle - as that would open up legal chall…

But in fact the end goal wasn’t to remove vehicles, it was to reduce congestion, emissions, etc. Those things are caused by vehicles, so policies to remove them will affect vehicles, but it’s disingenuous to suggest that their motivation is anti-vehicle.

No one ever said anything along the lines of EVs are ok, we're just trying to tax the petrol vehicles. The goal was anti-vehicle. They didn't not directly but indirectly. Like it or not, the strategy was legal and political genius.

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> I was thinking more about the unofficially mobility impaired people by obesity, like me The vast majority of obese people are not meaningfully mobility impaired.

As an obese person I disagree. Even 40 pounds is a meaningful mobility impairment, a difference between a joy and a trudge. I've experienced 200 pounds, and it is a kind of prison. Even a little bit of that prison is deeply meaningful. Have you not experienced it? I think I did more intensely as a yo-yo dieter. I knew what it was like to be fit from recent memory when I wasn't fit, and hated the difference.

I was 90kg 20 years ago, 65kg now. About 5’9, so from low end of obese to low end of normal. I don’t honestly notice _that_ much of a mobility difference. Def never had any trouble getting around a city on foot/public transport. Now, it’d obviously be different for very obese people, but most obese people are in the 30-35 bmi range.

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Do we have to admit that in this sub-thread? Your sentiment is better placed where we are not currently deriding the absurd take that "both can kill you easily". There is no recovery to be had here. > whether or not the level of injury is the same It is not the same.

> There is no recovery to be had here. Of course there is. The world isn’t black and white. I said “could”, there are many shades of grey in between. Don’t be such an absolutist, like your truth is the truest one. > It is not the same. Well, … it depends, no?

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