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American aviation is near collapse?

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Re: American aviation is near collapse?

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Post by convolvatron »

wagwang wrote: post #7
SecretDreams wrote: post #4

The final paragraph is maybe the most relevant. It goes well beyond just aviation. I'm sure we've all felt this. > The ICE deployment is a particularly extreme example of what the political scientist Steven M. Teles has dubbed “kludgeocracy,” in which the government reaches for short-term, improvised solutions while resisting real reform. “‘Clumsy but temporarily effective,’” Teles has written, “also describes much o…

Yes, that's how I would describe using immigration to address labor shortages

I don't think there is anything inherently wrong in using immigration to address labor shortages. however, not having an official policy, such a labor visa with clearly defined rules, combined with a stable population of 'illegals' that don't have the same labor protections, is and was not really a fair or sustainable situation.

Re: American aviation is near collapse?

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Post by n_u »

happytoexplain wrote: post #8
mikkupikku wrote: post #5

I'm not saying the article's thesis is wrong, much of it rings true to me, but we have very comprehensive data and statistics concerning air travel so I'm deeply unimpressed by this article instead hanging its argument on a hodgepodge list of incidents instead of digging into the data to get some proper numbers.

We have "very comprehensive data and statistics" indicating that US aviation is not nearing collapse? I don't understand what you mean.

I think they mean they would prefer more rigorous statistical analysis.

"Rigor cleans the window through which intuition shines" - Ellis Cooper

Re: American aviation is near collapse?

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Post by HPsquared »

n_u wrote: post #12
happytoexplain wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We have "very comprehensive data and statistics" indicating that US aviation is not nearing collapse? I don't understand what you mean.

I think they mean they would prefer more rigorous statistical analysis. "Rigor cleans the window through which intuition shines" - Ellis Cooper

"Collapse" isn't within the statistical distribution though, so you'd still to apply judgement in any case. I suppose it's a word with many definitions.

Re: American aviation is near collapse?

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Post by KK7NIL »

happytoexplain wrote: post #8
mikkupikku wrote: post #5

I'm not saying the article's thesis is wrong, much of it rings true to me, but we have very comprehensive data and statistics concerning air travel so I'm deeply unimpressed by this article instead hanging its argument on a hodgepodge list of incidents instead of digging into the data to get some proper numbers.

We have "very comprehensive data and statistics" indicating that US aviation is not nearing collapse? I don't understand what you mean.

He means that anyone making an argument that aviation safety has deteriorated should be using the stats to back it up, instead of anecdotal evidence.

Re: American aviation is near collapse?

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Post by SecretDreams »

convolvatron wrote: post #11
wagwang wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, that's how I would describe using immigration to address labor shortages

I don't think there is anything inherently wrong in using immigration to address labor shortages. however, not having an official policy, such a labor visa with clearly defined rules, combined with a stable population of 'illegals' that don't have the same labor protections, is and was not really a fair or sustainable situation.

Agreed. Immigration for a labour shortage is a tale as old as time. Mass migration was very common post WW1/2 Europe. People went where there were jobs and labour shortages.

Policy around this type of thing is important.

My post is more about the general dysfunction and solution schemes we see in some governments. I think having the ICE example might bring about some bots and trolls, though. I don't care for the ICE example, it's just a part of the quote.

Re: American aviation is near collapse?

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Post by ambicapter »

SecretDreams wrote: post #4

The final paragraph is maybe the most relevant. It goes well beyond just aviation. I'm sure we've all felt this. > The ICE deployment is a particularly extreme example of what the political scientist Steven M. Teles has dubbed “kludgeocracy,” in which the government reaches for short-term, improvised solutions while resisting real reform. “‘Clumsy but temporarily effective,’” Teles has written, “also describes much o…

Describes problem-solving in every company I've worked at as well.

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Post by ryandrake »

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Re: American aviation is near collapse?

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Post by KK7NIL »

HPsquared wrote: post #13
n_u wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think they mean they would prefer more rigorous statistical analysis. "Rigor cleans the window through which intuition shines" - Ellis Cooper

"Collapse" isn't within the statistical distribution though, so you'd still to apply judgement in any case. I suppose it's a word with many definitions.

> "Collapse" isn't within the statistical distribution though

Uh? Maybe you could explain what you mean by this a bit more.

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