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Re: Migrating to the EU

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Post by zulban »

_osud wrote: post #18

How comfortable are you guys with the fact that EU countries allow prosecutors and sometimes even police officers to issue their own search warrants without meaningful judicial review? Some EU courts will not exclude illegally obtained evidence either, so challenging the warrant later on will be pointless. Oh, and you might be in a reasonable EU country and still be hit with an EIO from one of the unreasonable countr…

Not comfortable. But making choices in the real world is about choosing the best option, not the perfect option.

Re: Migrating to the EU

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Post by nozzlegear »

krzyk wrote: post #277
nozzlegear wrote: post #271

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For now – the EU is one AfD win away from following in America's footsteps.

AfD is a party in single country in EU.

AfD is a far right populist party in the EU's biggest economic powerhouse country, whose explicit goals are to leave the EU (they probably can't due to the German constitution), exit the eurozone, withdraw from the Paris climate deal, leave NATO, and cozy up with Russia.

It's not hard to imagine what kind of damage they could do to the EU if they took power in Germany and started working with Hungary to block EU legislation, veto sanctions, defund programs, etc.

Re: Migrating to the EU

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Post by [deleted] »

_osud wrote: post #203
mongol wrote: post #197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So what? Can you point to a real example where this has been abused or are we discussing hypotheticals?

You can look at past ECHR decisions for countless cases of abuse by various national governments. You can look at the history of EAW related litigation also, it'll probably prove most informative. Executing states used to constantly deny requests due to judicial review, rules were clarified to remove the possibility of judicial review by executing states.

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Re: Migrating to the EU

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Post by PurpleRamen »

_osud wrote: post #18

How comfortable are you guys with the fact that EU countries allow prosecutors and sometimes even police officers to issue their own search warrants without meaningful judicial review? Some EU courts will not exclude illegally obtained evidence either, so challenging the warrant later on will be pointless. Oh, and you might be in a reasonable EU country and still be hit with an EIO from one of the unreasonable countr…

As long as you stay away from questionable behaviour, there is very little chance to encounter the police in the EU or having problems with your privacy. USA is different in that regard. Your existence can be a problem. Or monetary interests will risk your privacy to whoever wants to make money with you.

EU is not perfect, but saver than the USA in those matters (if you want to only invest a reasonable amount of effort and money), which is kinda the point here, isn't it?

Re: Migrating to the EU

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Post by dwedge »

mads_quist wrote: post #275

If you need an on-call / incident management platform like PagerDuty or incident.io All Quiet offers EU based Hosting and is operated from Germany: → https://allquiet.app

While it's in your bio, I feel like you should have made it more obvious that this is your company

Re: Migrating to the EU

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Post by thejohnconway »

threethirtytwo wrote: post #154
sobiolite wrote: post #5

I’m not with I could ever migrate away from Gmail, even if I wanted to. I have so many accounts and services linked to it.

There's no point in switching. Most of these people are dealing with a threat that has an extremely low probability of happening. It is not in any practical way going to affect your life and for most of the people here busy switching to EU services they likely don't have any major example of where it has affect them or anyone one degree away from them. It's mostly an ideal. Like OSS. The practical reality means that…

Honestly, the instability of the political environment in US feels so extreme, that it seems like something could bite you that you didn't even see coming.

Just on the Gmail front: maybe Trump decides to trade embargo you country and pressures Google to cut off email access. Maybe he decides Google needs to be broken up and sold for parts, and Gmail's data goes to Truth Social. Maybe he thinks illegal immigrants or "radical left wing lunatics" shouldn't have access to American email providers and gets Google to start suspending accounts based on a some criteria. Maybe some of this seems far fetched, but we are talking about a president who threatened to to go to war with one of America's closest allies.

The non-American west's exposure to the instability is too high, and already affecting people. Switching software providers where possible is something that can be done quickly, and relatively easily by individuals in the short term.

Re: Migrating to the EU

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Post by inferniac »

reg_dunlop wrote: post #237
avazhi wrote: post #223

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Phrasing this as virtue signaling is a misnomer. I see it as an effort to divest themselves of moral inequity. And the result isn't the point: the effort and the reason for the effort, is. This is the first iteration/calibration of a more conscientious intention. When moral imperative is an unidentifiable road feature on the highway towards wherever the US is going...small efforts matter

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Re: Migrating to the EU

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Post by dbvn »

s_dev wrote: post #135
_osud wrote: post #18

How comfortable are you guys with the fact that EU countries allow prosecutors and sometimes even police officers to issue their own search warrants without meaningful judicial review? Some EU courts will not exclude illegally obtained evidence either, so challenging the warrant later on will be pointless. Oh, and you might be in a reasonable EU country and still be hit with an EIO from one of the unreasonable countr…

>How comfortable are you guys with the fact that EU countries allow prosecutors and sometimes even police officers to issue their own search warrants without meaningful judicial review? This is a hilarious 'just asking questions' concern that doesn't address the complete 180 in direction the US is taking and descending in to authoritarianism while moving against the world order it primarily helped build post WWII whi…

Lol what does ICE have to do with a local police officer being able to bully a tech worker into providing your private communications?

Re: Migrating to the EU

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Post by _osud »

mongol wrote: post #268
_osud wrote: post #203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can look at past ECHR decisions for countless cases of abuse by various national governments. You can look at the history of EAW related litigation also, it'll probably prove most informative. Executing states used to constantly deny requests due to judicial review, rules were clarified to remove the possibility of judicial review by executing states.

I was expecting you might have a relevant example that applies to this discussion.

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Re: Migrating to the EU

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Post by krzyk »

raincole wrote: post #147
rafram wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The baseline level of freedom of speech in the EU, in particular, is much, much worse than in the US. We’re talking about a group of countries with active, enforced blasphemy laws! Completely unthinkable for Americans.

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Yeah. Try to enter US as EU citizen and see how good it is. Immigration officers are in bad mood (to say lightly).
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