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Migrating to the EU
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Re: Migrating to the EU
#222Earlier quoted context omitted.
>How comfortable are you guys with the fact that EU countries allow prosecutors and sometimes even police officers to issue their own search warrants without meaningful judicial review? This is a hilarious 'just asking questions' concern that doesn't address the complete 180 in direction the US is taking and descending in to authoritarianism while moving against the world order it primarily helped build post WWII whi…
> the complete 180 in direction the US is taking and descending in to authoritarianism A similar (though currently a little bit less marked) trend can also be observed for the EU and EU countries.
>(though currently a little bit less marked)
Again this is a false equivalence, 'a little less marked' isn't close to imparting the true state of things and to be honest a little disingenuous.
The EU is not in full motion to dismantle democracy across her 27 states. The US should it not turn this around in the midterms is finished as a liberal democracy.
So 'ah yes but Hungary' doesn't persuade me even though I'll concede it's a problem for the EU. If Tisza is elected in April, Hungary will be on course to turn things around. So you're comparing 1 out of 27 to 50 out of 50 states.
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#223As a Canadian, I’ve been thinking since last year about migrating to non-US services and applications. My main goal is simply to avoid giving money or data directly to US corporations. I have no illusions, these non-US services probably still benefit US companies in some ways. They’re rare, but I’ve consciously decided to stay away from some Canadian alternatives. The main customers of most Canadian tech companies ar…
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Re: Migrating to the EU
#224Earlier quoted context omitted.
>This isn't a point against EU services compared to the US In the US the cops actually need a search warrant signed by a judge. In the EU they only sometimes need one. >Should we be moving to Singaporean services? Oh shit, similar concerns there Really? I've always been under the impression that it is courts who issue search warrants in Singapore, not the police or prosecutors.
A judge of a secret court, which are known to never deny any request?
This is simply not correct. Very few "cops" in the US can go to any kind of secret courts.
Also, what you're describing is still infinitely better than the European system! The cops get to issue the warrants themselves.
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#225For the longest time it was an economic axiom that regulations drive off businesses, and here stronger laws are directly attracting business!
It's the rule of law that attracts business.
Re: Migrating to the EU
#226Earlier quoted context omitted.
>How comfortable are you guys with the fact that EU countries allow prosecutors and sometimes even police officers to issue their own search warrants without meaningful judicial review? This is a hilarious 'just asking questions' concern that doesn't address the complete 180 in direction the US is taking and descending in to authoritarianism while moving against the world order it primarily helped build post WWII whi…
His comment did not even mention the US. Only critiquing the authoritarianism going on in the EU. One of the issues with modern politics is everyone wants to deflect.
The comment does not exist in a vacuum. It exists in a thread where the topic is, eminently, migrating away from US services to EU ones.
Re: Migrating to the EU
#227How comfortable are you guys with the fact that EU countries allow prosecutors and sometimes even police officers to issue their own search warrants without meaningful judicial review? Some EU courts will not exclude illegally obtained evidence either, so challenging the warrant later on will be pointless. Oh, and you might be in a reasonable EU country and still be hit with an EIO from one of the unreasonable countr…
> Some EU courts will not exclude illegally obtained evidence either, so challenging the warrant later on will be pointless.
Generally speaking, I trust EU countries criminal systems more then USA one. USA one is too procedure oriented - like for example with this rule.
Unlike in USA, in general European cops and prosecutors can be punished when they do illegal stuff. That provides better protection then the pretend fairness rule you just cited.
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#228I’m not with I could ever migrate away from Gmail, even if I wanted to. I have so many accounts and services linked to it.
There's no point in switching. Most of these people are dealing with a threat that has an extremely low probability of happening. It is not in any practical way going to affect your life and for most of the people here busy switching to EU services they likely don't have any major example of where it has affect them or anyone one degree away from them. It's mostly an ideal. Like OSS. The practical reality means that…
> doesn't do anything but make your life harder.
No it also encourages the local market and healthy competition. This way in the future we don't fall into the same enshittification trap.
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#229As a Canadian, I’ve been thinking since last year about migrating to non-US services and applications. My main goal is simply to avoid giving money or data directly to US corporations. I have no illusions, these non-US services probably still benefit US companies in some ways. They’re rare, but I’ve consciously decided to stay away from some Canadian alternatives. The main customers of most Canadian tech companies ar…
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Which of these is Apple?
Re: Migrating to the EU
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>it at least is something that happens as part of a judicial process Only sort of, because some countries have very weird ideas of what a "judicial process" is. >I'm certainly more comfortable with it than being subject to the whims of the US government and its 3 letter agencies. That's fair, but I think it's a mistake. In the worst case the European system grants a village cop in another country the authority to con…
> That's fair, but I think it's a mistake I obviously don't share the sentiment. > village cop in another country the authority to conduct extremely intrusive surveillance on you. > far more realistic threat for most people than the NSA. If you think some policeman in a rural Frech village is a bigger threat to your freedom than NSA or other 3-letter agencies from the USA, we can all see who is mistaken in evaluating…
>If you think some policeman in a rural Frech village is a bigger threat to your freedom than NSA or other 3-letter agencies from the USA, we can all see who is mistaken in evaluating threats.
Just like the random mugger on the streets of Paris is a far bigger threat to my life and limb than the US with their drones.
You're talking from an ideological perspective, I'm looking at this from a rather more practical angle. It's very possible that your line of thinking leads to a better outcome than mine, or perhaps it doesn't.
>I don't want to say anything, I just wanted to highlight this bit because it made me giggle.
It's really not that funny, cryptocurrency thieves have been bribing cops to rob people at gunpoint https://krebsonsecurity.com/2024/09/crooked-cops-stolen-lapt...
Now you can bribe a village cop in Hungary or Romania, and have the French cops do your bidding. This is totally gonna end well!