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Re: Migrating to the EU

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Post by 9dev »

aborsy wrote: post #153

Some of these European countries such as France are quite authoritarian. They frequently pass (update: propose/push for) laws to ban VPN and even social media, request access to private messages, etc. It seems to me the situation is equally bad in EU.

You have no idea what you are talking about, really. We don’t "frequently" pass such laws. Nobody is accessing private messages, even if there have been such attempts.

The EU has still the strongest privacy laws world wide, and in contrast to others a strong ethical foundation. It may be slow, it may be torn, it may be overly beaurocratic, but sure enough not authoritarian.

Re: Migrating to the EU

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Post by nottorp »

_osud wrote: post #18

How comfortable are you guys with the fact that EU countries allow prosecutors and sometimes even police officers to issue their own search warrants without meaningful judicial review? Some EU courts will not exclude illegally obtained evidence either, so challenging the warrant later on will be pointless. Oh, and you might be in a reasonable EU country and still be hit with an EIO from one of the unreasonable countr…

US legal protections do not apply to EU citizens keeping their data in the US, do they?

So what's the point of this comparison, since if I host my data in the US they don't need a warrant at all?

Re: Migrating to the EU

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Post by _osud »

surgical_fire wrote: post #51
_osud wrote: post #18

How comfortable are you guys with the fact that EU countries allow prosecutors and sometimes even police officers to issue their own search warrants without meaningful judicial review? Some EU courts will not exclude illegally obtained evidence either, so challenging the warrant later on will be pointless. Oh, and you might be in a reasonable EU country and still be hit with an EIO from one of the unreasonable countr…

Generally comfortable. While the EIO is s controversial instrument (I particularly dislike the excessive power it gives to authorities in issuing countries and the inability to question the warrant), it at least is something that happens as part of a judicial process. I'm certainly more comfortable with it than being subject to the whims of the US government and its 3 letter agencies. That said, yeah, EIO in the shap…

>it at least is something that happens as part of a judicial process

Only sort of, because some countries have very weird ideas of what a "judicial process" is.

>I'm certainly more comfortable with it than being subject to the whims of the US government and its 3 letter agencies.

That's fair, but I think it's a mistake. In the worst case the European system grants a village cop in another country the authority to conduct extremely intrusive surveillance on you.

Criminals can easily co-opt this system and steal your crypto or whatever, a far more realistic threat for most people than the NSA.

Re: Migrating to the EU

#164

Post by this_user »

raincole wrote: post #147
rafram wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The baseline level of freedom of speech in the EU, in particular, is much, much worse than in the US. We’re talking about a group of countries with active, enforced blasphemy laws! Completely unthinkable for Americans.

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The EU is really more middle-of-the-road in most things, while the US tends to be more extreme: more really good ideas, but also more really bad ideas. But that is also the result of the EU being largely controlled by bureaucrats and compliance officers instead of real leaders.

Re: Migrating to the EU

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Post by kioleanu »

severino wrote: post #79

> First, I tried mailbox.org, which I can generally recommend without reservation. Unfortunately, you can’t send emails from any address on your own domain without a workaround, so the search continued. I had read about other problems about this mailbox.org service, but not this one. Anyone knows what's the catch when trying to send emails from your own domain?

I think he means that he can have a catch-all, but to reply from that address, there needs to be an alias created on the account

Re: Migrating to the EU

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Post by shevy-java »

_osud wrote: post #18

How comfortable are you guys with the fact that EU countries allow prosecutors and sometimes even police officers to issue their own search warrants without meaningful judicial review? Some EU courts will not exclude illegally obtained evidence either, so challenging the warrant later on will be pointless. Oh, and you might be in a reasonable EU country and still be hit with an EIO from one of the unreasonable countr…

> you might be in a reasonable EU country and still be hit with an EIO from one of the unreasonable countries.

Are you certain this has happened? I never heard that happen in central Europe. I am pretty certain legislation of other countries is irrelevant, unless it would be an EU regulation - and I am unaware of an EU regulation that could bypass local laws and that has not been made a EU law. Which EU law specifically do you refer to?

Re: Migrating to the EU

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Post by mongol »

_osud wrote: post #148
mongol wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sweden is a country like this. It is just the way it is here. It can be abused, sure. But all things considered, I much rather have my things hosted here than in the US.

Yeah, but you also have Hungary who can decide to do things the same way they're done in Sweden and Finland.

In Hungary, sure. But each country has its own jurisdiction.

Re: Migrating to the EU

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Post by microtonal »

_osud wrote: post #148
mongol wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sweden is a country like this. It is just the way it is here. It can be abused, sure. But all things considered, I much rather have my things hosted here than in the US.

Yeah, but you also have Hungary who can decide to do things the same way they're done in Sweden and Finland.

So don’t host your stuff in Hungary?

Re: Migrating to the EU

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Post by gradus_ad »

The EU is going to fail in the next decade or two. It is a financially and politically unsustainable patchwork that will rip apart in the great power conflict that is coming. The sick man of Europe is now Europe itself.

Re: Migrating to the EU

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Post by [deleted] »

gradus_ad wrote: post #169

The EU is going to fail in the next decade or two. It is a financially and politically unsustainable patchwork that will rip apart in the great power conflict that is coming. The sick man of Europe is now Europe itself.

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