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A case against currying

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Re: A case against currying

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Prior to this article, I didn't think of currying as being something a person could be "for" or "against." It just is. The fact that a function of multiple inputs can be equivalently thought of as a function of a tuple can be equivalently thought of as a composite of single-input functions that return functions is about cognition, and understanding structure, not code syntax.

Re: A case against currying

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I want to agree, but there is the tension that in business code, what you pass as arguments is very often already named like the parameter, so having to indicate the parameter name in the call leads to a lot of redundancy. And if you’re using domain types judiciously, the types are typically also different, hence (in a statically-typed language) there is already a reduced risk of passing the wrong parameter. Maybe th…

This is an issue in Python but less so in languages like JavaScript that support "field name punning", where you pass named arguments via lightweight record construction syntax, and you don't need to duplicate a field name if it's the same as the local variable name you're using for that field's value.

That forces you to name the variable identically to the parameter. For example, you may want to call your variable `loggedInUser` when the fact that the user is logged in is important for the code’s logic, but then you can’t pass it as-is for a field that is only called `user`. Having to name the parameter leads to routinely having to write `foo: blaFoo` because just `blaFoo` wouldn’t match, or else to drop the informative `bla`. That’s part of the tension I was referring to.

Re: A case against currying

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I agree with this article. Tuples nicely unified multiple return values and multiple parameters. FWIW Scala and Virgil both support the _ syntax for the placeholder in a partial application.

    def add(x: int, y: int) -> int { return x + y; }
    def add3 = add(_, 3);
Or more simply, reusing some built-in functions:

    def add3 = int.+(_, 3);

Re: A case against currying

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Currying was recently removed from Coalton: https://coalton-lang.github.io/20260312-coalton0p2/#fixed-ar...

> 3. Better type errors. With currying, writing (f 1 2) instead of (f 1 2 3) silently produces a partial application. The compiler happily infers a function type like :s -> :t and moves on. The real error only surfaces later, when that unexpected function value finally clashes with an incompatible type, often far from the actual mistake. With fixed arity, a missing argument is caught right where it happens.

'Putting things' (multi-argument function calls, in this case) 'in-band doesn't make them go away, but it does successfully hide them from your tooling', part 422.

Re: A case against currying

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I completely agree with the points in this article and have come to the same conclusion after using languages that default to unary curried functions. > I'd also love to hear if you know any (dis)advantages of curried functions other than the ones mentioned. I think it fundamentally boils down to the curried style being _implicit_ partial application, whereas a syntax for partial application is _explicit_. And as if…

Well, I totally disagree with this. One of the main benefits of currying is the ability to chain function calls together. For example, in F# this is typically done with the |> operator:

    let result =
        input
            |> foobinade a b
            |> barbalyze c d
Or, if we really want to name our partial function before applying it, we can use the >> operator instead:

    let f = foobinade a b >> barbalyze c d
    let result = f input
Requiring an explicit "hole" for this defeats the purpose:

    let f = barbalyze(c, d, foobinade(a, b, $))
    let result = f(input)
Or, just as bad, you could give up on partial function application entirely and go with:

    let result = barbalyze(c, d, foobinade(a, b, input))
Either way, I hope that gives everyone the same "ick" it gives me.

Re: A case against currying

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The tuple style can't be curried (in Haskell).

That's not what I'm talking about. The article draws a three way distinction between curried style (à la Haskell), tuples and parameter list. I'm talking about the distinction it claims exists between the latter two.

A language which truly treats an argument list as a tuple can support this:

    args = (a, b, c)
    f args
…and that will have the effect of binding a, b, and c as arguments in the called function.

In fact many “scripting” languages, like Javascript and Python, support something close to this using their array type. If you squint, you can see them as languages whose functions take a single argument that is equivalent to an array. At an internal implementation level this equivalence can be messy, though.

Lower level languages like C and Rust tend not to support this.

Re: A case against currying

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Prior to this article, I didn't think of currying as being something a person could be "for" or "against." It just is. The fact that a function of multiple inputs can be equivalently thought of as a function of a tuple can be equivalently thought of as a composite of single-input functions that return functions is about cognition, and understanding structure, not code syntax.

But it is about code syntax. Languages like Haskell make it part of the language by only supporting single-argument functions. So currying is the default behaviour for programmers.

I think you are focusing on the theoretical aspect of partial application and missing the actual argument of the article which having it be the default, implicit way of defining and calling functions isn't a good programming interface.

Re: A case against currying

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I like currying because it's fun and cool, but found myself nodding along throughout the whole article. I've taken for granted that declaring and using curried functions with nice associativity (i.e., avoiding lots of parentheses) is as ergonomic as partial application syntax gets, but I'm glad to have that assumption challenged.

The "hole" syntax for partial application with dollar signs is a really creative alternative that seems much nicer. Does anyone know of any languages that actually do it that way? I'd love to try it out and see if it's actually nicer in practice.

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