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Study finds no evidence cannabis helps anxiety, depression, or PTSD

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Re: Study finds no evidence cannabis helps anxiety, depression, or PTSD

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Post by illusive4080 »

malfist wrote: post #59
LPisGood wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“Depressant” refers to its impacts on nervous system activity, not that it causes feelings of depression.

Tell that to my depression. Back before I got sober days after alcohol were certainly some of my lowest mood days. Its well known that alcohol impares next day production of neurotransmitters responsible for balancing moods. Now I've been sober for 7 years and my depression has been treated, but I certainly remember those days

In alcohol’s case I think you’re masking the depression by drinking which makes you even more depressed when you aren’t drinking.

Re: Study finds no evidence cannabis helps anxiety, depression, or PTSD

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Post by andoando »

Aurornis wrote: post #68
andoando wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do amphetamines treat the source of ADHD? Psychiatry as its practiced has no idea as to what depression even is under the hood. The entire science is based on the patients self reported feelings or the psychatrists feeling of how someone else is feeling. What you're saying is something else, that drugs can produce long term harm despite short term improvements

> The entire science is based on the patients self reported feelings or the psychatrists feeling of how someone else is feeling. This study is showing that THC, CBD, blends, or cannabis do not improve self-reported feelings over the long term. You can use pedantry and wordplay all you want, but no matter how we look at this study it does not show positive effects. > What you're saying is something else, that drugs ca…

I dont have a problem with the study or its conclusions, just the parent post I was replying to.

>Recreational drugs make you feel good temporarily. That's literally why people do them.

The point Im making is this is true for a ton of psychiatric or even non psychatric treatments. And to be perfectly clear Im not saying you should be treating your anxiety with weed, even if it does help you

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Post by sillywabbit »

andoando wrote: post #63
phainopepla2 wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Duration of effect matters when it comes to successful treatments. If we take your position and apply reductio ad absurdum, we could say that cocaine is a highly effective treatment for anxiety, although of course we know that in the not-so-long run it has the opposite effect.

But a lot of psychatric treatments are just that. Treatment for ADHD for example is giving ampethamines (which btw are chemically no different than a low dose of meth), which have a duration of 3-6 hours and its back to worse than baseline after the effect has worn off.

Meth causes brain damage. Dex doesn't.

Re: Study finds no evidence cannabis helps anxiety, depression, or PTSD

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Post by Aurornis »

andoando wrote: post #72
Aurornis wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The entire science is based on the patients self reported feelings or the psychatrists feeling of how someone else is feeling. This study is showing that THC, CBD, blends, or cannabis do not improve self-reported feelings over the long term. You can use pedantry and wordplay all you want, but no matter how we look at this study it does not show positive effects. > What you're saying is something else, that drugs ca…

I dont have a problem with the study or its conclusions, just the parent post I was replying to. >Recreational drugs make you feel good temporarily. That's literally why people do them. The point Im making is this is true for a ton of psychiatric or even non psychatric treatments. And to be perfectly clear Im not saying you should be treating your anxiety with weed, even if it does help you

> The point Im making is this is true for a ton of psychiatric or even non psychatric treatments

That point wasn't intended to be taken in isolation.

I was making statements about how long-term treatment of an underlying condition is not the same as taking a drug which temporarily masks a problem or induces altered mood states.

The fact that a drug has acute effects, good or bad, is separate from any conversation about chronic effects.

For depression, anxiety, and other conditions it's the chronic effects that matter. The acute effects almost become side effects at that point. For some drugs, getting to long-term treatment involves tolerating the acute effects while your body adapts

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Post by themafia »

Kon5ole wrote: post #66

American media has really been shockingly pro weed/cannabis for the past 20 or so years. Really astounding to witness considering the well known downsides to human health and cognitive function. Main characters smoke weed as a cool disobedience, in sitcoms even. Wonder what is behind it, from my perspective it's quite remarkable.

People were smoking weed even when it was socially unacceptable and illegal. Then they were going to jail for a decade or more because of it. This simply did not make any sense. I believe most of this is a backlash effect.

Weed was the worst thing ever. Weed is the best thing ever. Eventually weed will be in the same category as coffee.

Re: Study finds no evidence cannabis helps anxiety, depression, or PTSD

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Post by anon84873628 »

Kon5ole wrote: post #66

American media has really been shockingly pro weed/cannabis for the past 20 or so years. Really astounding to witness considering the well known downsides to human health and cognitive function. Main characters smoke weed as a cool disobedience, in sitcoms even. Wonder what is behind it, from my perspective it's quite remarkable.

Because the Schedule 1 prohibition was ridiculous. This is the cultural pendulum swing to normalize it and push legalization.

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Post by ecshafer »

Kon5ole wrote: post #66

American media has really been shockingly pro weed/cannabis for the past 20 or so years. Really astounding to witness considering the well known downsides to human health and cognitive function. Main characters smoke weed as a cool disobedience, in sitcoms even. Wonder what is behind it, from my perspective it's quite remarkable.

Since the 1960s and the emergence of the New Left, and the introduction of the Frankfurt School and 60s post modernism into academia, there has been a widespread belief amongst a large segment of the population that everything traditional is wrong. A social stigma is merely ignorance, that which is seen as bad is actually good, traditions are wrong. All of these things need to be overturned for the enlightenment. Since society deemed marijuana bad, it is therefore good. As those people who were went through that indoctrination in the 60s as students got older, they got into power. They took power in universities. By the 90s they were pushing all of the ideas as the status quo. Students in the 90s then took those ideas, and when they got into power in Media, they pushed those ideas into all movies and tv.

Re: Study finds no evidence cannabis helps anxiety, depression, or PTSD

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Post by m0llusk »

Studying the effects of recreational drugs is similar to studying diet in terms of the level of complication. The headline "No evidence" is a good example of the discourse about this subject. There absolutely is such evidence, but this new analysis comes to different, potentially more robust, conclusions from the same data. As long as results are presented in this way a meaningful shared comprehension of the situation is likely to remain out of reach.

Re: Study finds no evidence cannabis helps anxiety, depression, or PTSD

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Post by Ylpertnodi »

Bratmon wrote: post #64
zug_zug wrote: post #53

Edit: Okay, I've read the meta-study now and I think the summary article isn't representing the picture very well. In particular they found for anxiety there actually seems to be evidence in this exact data set that does help. What they are doing is saying "there isn't 95% evidence it reduces anxiety" therefore "no evidence" even though they mean "some evidence, just not at the statistical significance level" -- it's…

I guess if you weren't around for the 30 years when every marijuana advocate on the planet wouldn't shut up about it being a cure for anxiety, evidence that it is not wouldn't be particularly interesting to you.

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Re: Study finds no evidence cannabis helps anxiety, depression, or PTSD

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Post by Ylpertnodi »

malfist wrote: post #62
jalla wrote: post #48

So, a meta study. While important, it assumes that the underlying studies are based on solid science. So, why do people use cannabis then?

Why do people use cigarettes? Cocaine? LSD? Not because they're effective treatments for mental disorders

Evidence?
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