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Mayor of Paris removed parking spaces, reduced the number of cars

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Re: Mayor of Paris removed parking spaces, reduced the number of cars

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Post by saltysalt »

consumer451 wrote: post #174
saltysalt wrote: post #169

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If car usage is going down but pedestrian injuries are going up? The pedestrians are not crashing into one another with greater frequency...

Yeah, my experience was anecdotal. Also, cyclists can be assholes. However, they have less inertia. What I would like to see is mortality rates of pedestrians in Paris in general. That might be the actually interesting trend.

I would wager it's the usage of payments and ignoring of pedestrian lights by cyclists is a big factor.

As a pedestrian, I've had FAR more encounters with aggressive cyclists than aggressive drivers (also anecdotal). Makes walking downtown more stressful.

Re: Mayor of Paris removed parking spaces, reduced the number of cars

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Post by mrtksn »

rkomorn wrote: post #175
mrtksn wrote: post #168

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What do you think about all those videos on how dangerous Paris is? Having made the move, would you say that those stem from real experiences and are organic or would you say that it was an organized campaign for some political reason? Or maybe something else? Trump keeps saying that they want to prevent USA becoming a dangerous place like Europe, even said that recently and the Irish president disagreed with him. As…

As a European who moved to the US for 20+ years then moved back to Europe, any idea that Europe is a shithole or has fallen is ludicrous. If anything, the US degraded far more over the time I spent there than Europe did while I was away.

I am EU too and I know Europe is doing quite fine on average with some good and bad places but I wonder if all this is propaganda for the Americans or if the Americans genuinely expect something else from life.

Re: Mayor of Paris removed parking spaces, reduced the number of cars

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

dismalaf wrote: post #35
hshdhdhj4444 wrote: post #2

This article has such a weird framing. It keeps repeating how the cleaner air is so good for tourists. But tourists visiting Paris for a week don’t get the majority of the benefit from cleaner air. The Parisian residents living there throughout the year do. Maybe because it’s CNN, an American outlet, they’re focused on the “tourist”, but these benefits have mostly accrued to Parisians. Also, the 4% increase in traffi…

> Paris has not escaped the wrath of the SUV, and a large part of the congestion cities across the world are seeing is solely down to cars becoming bigger. Europeans don't drive Suburbans. They drive crossovers that are, if anything, shorter than the equivalent sedan or wagon.

So do Americans in many cites like Seattle.

Re: Mayor of Paris removed parking spaces, reduced the number of cars

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Post by consumer451 »

rsynnott wrote: post #173
consumer451 wrote: post #45

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I have to say, I look forward to visiting Paris again as soon as I can find an excuse. I know there are things people could say negatively, as one could say about any large city, but the energy and diversity really drew me in. I also really like French food, especially when mixed with the crazy chefs in that area that we stayed. Edit: just so everyone knows, this is what an airport terminal could be, according to Air…

… Huh, never heard of anyone actually _liking_ CDG before.

Haha, I get that. You may be aware, but this is Terminal 2G.

It is almost like its own tiny airport for short hops by Air France in the EU.

It feels like a completely different world from the main mixed-carrier international disaster situation. It really feels like a designer experimental terminal.

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Post by toast0 »

mitthrowaway2 wrote: post #161
gostsamo wrote: post #144

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The way I've heard it from drivers, suvs gives you elevation to observe the traffic and the mass to make your bad behavior problem of the other side while you gain real numbers safety.

That's a pure negative sum game though. The elevation gives you only a relative improvement in visibility if other vehicles don't increase in elevation in response, at the cost of sightlines for other road users and especially pedestrians, unless they wear platform shoes. The same of course goes with mass. Usually this kind of negative-sum-prisoner's-dilemma incentive matrix is resolved by government intervention whi…

Elevation doesn't have to be zero sum. My compact pickup (a class of vehicles that is barely manufactured anymore) is a little elevated and has an upright seating position, but it also provides good visibility for other street users. The space over the bed is clear (unless I'm carrying something big) and the rear and side windows are vertical and clear allowing vision through; the windshield is raked less than most other vehicles, so it's better for looking through.

Of course, as I mentioned, compact pickup trucks are basically dead in the US. You can get a four door car with a three food bed that is marketed as a small truck. If you want a single cab and a six foot bed, you have to buy a full size truck and those are usually taller and bigger and less efficient than a compact truck would be; it can do bigger truck things, but I only need little truck things.

Maybe the Bezos truck brings back small trucks to the US.

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Post by black_puppydog »

dwedge wrote: post #143
black_puppydog wrote: post #131

People keep saying Hidalgo's policies made people angry, but then voter turnout when she actually asks for confirmation of her policies is low. For example, 2024's vote on whether to triple the parking fees for big SUVs. [1] Turnout was tiny, but the measure passed. Well what does that mean? It certainly doesn't mean that there is a huge wave of enthusiasm for the measure. But conversely it also means there's not a h…

Measures like this always seem unfair to me if they aren't announced a few years in advance. A car is a large investment and people may have made different choices knowing that the rules will change. Same with the tax per mile for Electric cars in the UK. Instead of encouraging motorists to make better choices, they just end up feeling part of a money grab

Very sorry for drivers' inconvenience, but if they hadn't realized how bad SUVs are for health, climate, and basically anything that's going on in the city, then announcing it early wouldn't have registered either, I think, since they clearly haven't been following any news.

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Post by Mawr »

saltysalt wrote: post #181
consumer451 wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, my experience was anecdotal. Also, cyclists can be assholes. However, they have less inertia. What I would like to see is mortality rates of pedestrians in Paris in general. That might be the actually interesting trend.

I would wager it's the usage of payments and ignoring of pedestrian lights by cyclists is a big factor. As a pedestrian, I've had FAR more encounters with aggressive cyclists than aggressive drivers (also anecdotal). Makes walking downtown more stressful.

The difference in severity of a crash between a car and a bicycle is on the order of 20x. Are you seeing 20x more agressive cyclists than motorists?

Anyhow, talking about the hospitalization rate without the mortality rate is very odd and smells of manipulation one way or the other.

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Post by b0rtb0rt »

consumer451 wrote: post #19

Complete tangent, but I met my equally nerdy brother in Paris last month. It was my first time, and his fourth. We stayed South of the Republique metro station. After the literal 30th indie Manga [0] shop that we walked by, I asked him: "how are all these shops financially viable?" He said: "look inside." Holy crap, they all had customers inside! I had no idea that Japanese culture has such a strong presence in the h…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japonisme
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