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Mayor of Paris removed parking spaces, reduced the number of cars

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Re: Mayor of Paris removed parking spaces, reduced the number of cars

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Post by saltysalt »

suddenlybananas wrote: post #21
frnx wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The new large cycling strips that appeared in the last 5-6 years are so good. At commute time there are frequently jammed with /cyclists/, but let's face it it's miles better than being stuck in a car. I shudder to think about the alternative where each cyclist was instead alone in a small car, this wouldn't even fit on the roads.

I do wonder how many cyclists in Paris are really replacing cars versus replacing metro usage. Obviously, it's still good for people to cycle as well since the metro can be insanely crowded at times, but living in Paris, my impression is that the people who cycle are the kinds who would have been unlikely to own a car in any case.

Exactly.

Re: Mayor of Paris removed parking spaces, reduced the number of cars

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Post by Zigurd »

whatever1 wrote: post #24

Of course you can reduce highways and infrastructure and reduce traffic. But you also choked access to the city. And no public transportation does not fix the problem. It helps a bit, but at the end of the day biggest part of far commuters are gradually cut off. If decentralization is the target, then just state it.

> choked access to the city

Citation needed.

Pedestrian and cyclist friendly cities have more vibrant street life, and are more attractive places to live. I've never heard of car restrictions leading to more suburbanization.

Re: Mayor of Paris removed parking spaces, reduced the number of cars

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Post by airstrike »

curtisblaine wrote: post #26
troupo wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's a helpful comparison https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/opel-astra-1998-cou...

Not so helpful; the cars are from two different generations at two different price points. Try https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/bentley-flying-spur...

Also why are front and rear not overlays

Re: Mayor of Paris removed parking spaces, reduced the number of cars

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Post by otherme123 »

youknownothing wrote: post #49

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> It's happened in London, where a clear anti-car agenda is being disguised as a pro-clean air agenda.

I don't know about London, but in Spain there is no disguise: you can find pro-clean air and pro-human strategies. Pro-clean limits, or straight ban, the access of ICE vehicles to some zones. Pro-human/anti-car limit or ban circulation or park for any car in certain zones.

Re: Mayor of Paris removed parking spaces, reduced the number of cars

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Post by tpm »

youknownothing wrote: post #49

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Well a big reason for speed limits in cities is safety, that doesn't change with EVs. Another thing you mention is collectivism but cars are a very inefficient private use of public space, both roads and parking, so when such space is scarce it makes sense to restrict them.

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Post by delichon »

wiether wrote: post #27
delichon wrote: post #13

In an American city I would bet on the mobility impaired people to win the cage match against the fewer cars people. They are tougher than they look. Edit: The responses reasonably talk about the officially mobility impaired people. I was thinking more about the unofficially mobility impaired people by obesity, like me. French obesity rates are ~16% compared to ~42% in the US. That contributes to a fierce US constitu…

A city with less cars is a net positive for mobility impaired people. It frees space for people (wider sidewalks...), reduce the risks of navigating the streets, and for the ones that have to use a car, there's less traffic and less people stealing dedicated parking spots. Less cars also means less mobility impaired people. Cars create them through crashes and a lifetime of sedentariness. Finally, it should be noted…

> they are not mobility impaired themselves and don't actually care about them.

That's a baseless and false slur. My first thought was that visiting Paris would be difficult because of all of the walking. I fall in the large gap between disabled and fit. On the one hand I would benefit from more walking, on the other I would not get much enjoyment out of a city that way, and would tend to drive far to services where I could park nearby.

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Post by rimbo789 »

youknownothing wrote: post #49

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Yes it is ideological: cars kill cities, kill communities and are bad for everyone involved. They are dangerous to drivers and non drivers alike and are deeply anti social. We need less cars everywhere period.

Putting cars in cities was also deeply ideological. It was about segregation and as a way to extract as much resources from people as possible. The imposition of cars was about turning people into consumers who only point was to purchase goods and services.

We didn’t choose cars- they were pushed on societies through a decades long propaganda campaign.

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