Western carmakers' retreat from electric risks dooming them to irrelevance
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Re: Western carmakers' retreat from electric risks dooming them to irrelevance
#2Weird headline: Japanese carmakers are doing the same error, while Tesla (an American company) is the one of the leading electric carmakers... I'd just replace it with Legacy Carmakers (e.g. Ford, GM, Toyota and so on).
Re: Western carmakers' retreat from electric risks dooming them to irrelevance
#3Isn't it over and China owns this market anyway? How can any other country possibly compete?
Re: Western carmakers' retreat from electric risks dooming them to irrelevance
#4Isn't it over and China owns this market anyway? How can any other country possibly compete?
Tarrifs mostly
Re: Western carmakers' retreat from electric risks dooming them to irrelevance
#5I think Ferrari, Lambo, Rolls Royce, Bugatti, Zonda etc. will do just fine with selling luxury ICEs with many cylinders that go vroom to rich people. In fact they'll probably do better as global wealth gap increases.
It's the Audis, BMWs, Mercedes, etc of Europe they'll probably end up the way of Philips, Blaupunkt, Alcatel, Grundig, Nokia, Thomson, Gigaset, SAgem, etc. meaning selling off their consumer civilian operations to chinese OEMs and all that remain will be the recognizable name badge put on imported Chinese components assembled in EU, while the small remaining European operations focus on vehicles and powertrains for defense/naval/aerospace/etc.
Re: Western carmakers' retreat from electric risks dooming them to irrelevance
#6Isn't it over and China owns this market anyway? How can any other country possibly compete?
The same way Chinese tech companies “compete” with Western ones: By not permitting them to do business in China.
Re: Western carmakers' retreat from electric risks dooming them to irrelevance
#7Isn't it over and China owns this market anyway? How can any other country possibly compete?
On long-term support and parts availability perhaps - I seriously doubt most of Chinese models bought now will have parts readily available in 5+ years.
VW (and their other brands) and BMW have good new EVs coming to market now, while Toyota is waking up too. They will survive I think. Stellantis though, not sure about them. And many Chinese carmakers will be gone too.
Re: Western carmakers' retreat from electric risks dooming them to irrelevance
#8Isn't it over and China owns this market anyway? How can any other country possibly compete?
By limiting imports and offering alternatives in home. Also, the myths about reliability ads a lot.
Re: Western carmakers' retreat from electric risks dooming them to irrelevance
#9Weird headline: Japanese carmakers are doing the same error, while Tesla (an American company) is the one of the leading electric carmakers... I'd just replace it with Legacy Carmakers (e.g. Ford, GM, Toyota and so on).
I feel that Renault is also standing out as a company that's going in the opposite direction.
Re: Western carmakers' retreat from electric risks dooming them to irrelevance
#10Weird headline: Japanese carmakers are doing the same error, while Tesla (an American company) is the one of the leading electric carmakers... I'd just replace it with Legacy Carmakers (e.g. Ford, GM, Toyota and so on).
I thought Totyota is still one of the EV leaders. Alongside Kia and Hyundai?