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How BYD got EV chargers to work almost as fast as gas pumps

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Re: How BYD got EV chargers to work almost as fast as gas pumps

#41

Absolute garbage. Just stop and think for one second what kind of power delivery is required to do this and you will quickly realize that’s it’s not feasible anywhere other than as a demo.

They claim to have rolled out 4000 fast chargers so far.

Although it also says the car that supports the max charging speed hasn’t hit the market yet so seems yet to be proven in the wild.

Re: How BYD got EV chargers to work almost as fast as gas pumps

#42
post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean if you really think about it china already has or is on the verge of: - energy independence - ASML level microchip production - the SOTA of AI - citizens that accept surveilence and lack of privacy - strong local manufacturing - eastern world support - yuan recognized as a stable world currency But they do suffer from issues as well: - Aging population - Autocracy (or well, one party system) - Brain drain (bet…

> citizens that accept surveilence and lack of privacy citizens had no choice.

Neither do US and European citizens. We seem to be accepting the same amount of surveillance and lack of privacy still.

Re: How BYD got EV chargers to work almost as fast as gas pumps

#43
post #2

Is this how the US falls behind? Missing technological improvements due to blind disagreements with Chinese/etc, combined with inability to update infrastructure? (Unclear how/why but datacenters being stood up so quickly seems like an exception to US’s bad construction)

In a word, yes. In a few words, yes that's the entire situation summary. No long term strategy exists for the entire country.

There might be no industrial long term planning, but I think it’s because the US operates in a different mode — financial (late) Capitalism.

Re: How BYD got EV chargers to work almost as fast as gas pumps

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post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean if you really think about it china already has or is on the verge of: - energy independence - ASML level microchip production - the SOTA of AI - citizens that accept surveilence and lack of privacy - strong local manufacturing - eastern world support - yuan recognized as a stable world currency But they do suffer from issues as well: - Aging population - Autocracy (or well, one party system) - Brain drain (bet…

> citizens that accept surveilence and lack of privacy citizens had no choice.

You're presuming that if they had a choice, they wouldn't accept it.

The reality is that chinese goverment is - overall - delivering results. People will accept things that bring good outcomes.

There's also upsides from the surveilence and the way things are done in China which makes it way more resilient from outside influence and disruptive bad actors.

Now I don't want the same things in my country, but it suits China to some extent.

Re: How BYD got EV chargers to work almost as fast as gas pumps

#45
post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's how Europe falls behind, you mean. Why do they always get left out of the comparisons? Because they're so far behind anything it would be an insult to include them?

you can buy Chinese phones/cars in EU, so we don't fall behind though in 3.5 months they are gonna ban EU consumers from buying cheap things directly from AliExpress and groom July 1st you will have to pay 3EUR for each ordered item, including that 1EUR screen protector, because it's much better when you can feed some useless middleman than saving money, thanks EU!

> you can buy Chinese phones/cars in EU, so we don't fall behind

With that logic, every programmer on this site should spend as much time as possible on Facebook. This will make their salary equal to that of a Meta employee!

Consuming something is not the same as being able to produce it.

Re: How BYD got EV chargers to work almost as fast as gas pumps

#46
post #2

Is this how the US falls behind? Missing technological improvements due to blind disagreements with Chinese/etc, combined with inability to update infrastructure? (Unclear how/why but datacenters being stood up so quickly seems like an exception to US’s bad construction)

It's how Europe falls behind, you mean. Why do they always get left out of the comparisons? Because they're so far behind anything it would be an insult to include them?

Europe is third since the 2000s. The pushed the Euro to try to limit it (and from the mouth of someone who was present when they pushed, it was also caused by the black Wednesday of 92, the attacks on currencies increased, and the cost to rebuff them too).

And yes, basically, no one should include europe in the comparison until US oil fields are depleted, and even then at best it would be a race for the second place. You can't compete without gas and oil or a huge manufacturing lead, and europe don't have any, and only have specific subset of manufacturing (basically sensors, electronics, avionics, optics, and handmade clothing) that isn't workforce-intensive, nor resource-intensive.

Re: How BYD got EV chargers to work almost as fast as gas pumps

#47
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

China's low level of corruption wins again

Unfortunately, a corrupt autocracy with a strategy seems more likely to win the capitalist arms race than a wealthy but feckless democracy. It’s only slightly ironic that said autocracy calls itself communist.

Functioning democracies are inherently authoritarian. The simplistic, textbook definition of dictatorship, which in the West is generally used to define the foreign other, has no basis in reality.

This vision holds because it presupposes that the only thing people care about is political freedom, when in reality there can only ever be one political class and political freedom is largely about some other political class trying to take control because the current system doesn't favour them in some way.

Western democracies, at their worst, have a largely permanent political class who is elected every year under the pretext of democratic legitimacy. Eastern dictatorshpis, at their best, have a government that is continuously rotated to ensure competent implementation gaining legitimacy from delivery.

Both are contextual and the position along the autocracy axis largely depends on implementation. Whether people can actually vote is irrelevant (Europe is generally one of the worst examples of this, elections constantly, most election produce governments that polls under 20% within months...it is very strange that people call this democracy).

Re: How BYD got EV chargers to work almost as fast as gas pumps

#48

Absolute garbage. Just stop and think for one second what kind of power delivery is required to do this and you will quickly realize that’s it’s not feasible anywhere other than as a demo.

> Thousands of FLASH Charging stations have already been installed in China, and BYD has committed to a global rollout that will include an initial wave of FLASH Chargers in Europe. Further details on the plans, and how they will support the Z9GT's arrival, will be revealed in due course.

https://bydukmedia.com/en/news-articles/denza-z9gt-to-start-...

Re: How BYD got EV chargers to work almost as fast as gas pumps

#49

How foolish it must feel to buy a new car without this tech in a world that has this tech, only to fund the people spending our tax money to keep it from us and continue pushing fossil fuels.

I may be in the market for a new car soon, which I hope to keep for at least a decade, so this kind of thing bothers me. I don't want to buy something that's already years behind on efficiency.

Re: How BYD got EV chargers to work almost as fast as gas pumps

#50

Absolute garbage. Just stop and think for one second what kind of power delivery is required to do this and you will quickly realize that’s it’s not feasible anywhere other than as a demo.

They use a buffer battery, it's quite feasible with that.
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