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Woman in Labor at Florida Hospital Brought in Zoom Court for Refusing C-Section

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Re: Woman in Labor at Florida Hospital Brought in Zoom Court for Refusing C-Section

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WTF? This is shameful. It’s also why I feel vaccine mandates shouldn’t be legal. We all have a fundamental right to our bodies. The government shouldn’t be able to force you to make different choices when it comes to your body.

Vaccine mandates are different here in so many ways.

First, there are no general mandates. The most we have from the state is mandatory vaccines to work in certain government roles or to attend public schools. Both of these have alternatives. For adults the vast majority of vaccine mandates originate from private employment. In this case she requested to be moved to a different hospital but this was denied. There was no alternative for her in this case.

Second, vaccines are far less invasive than significant abdominal surgery. This person's reasoning for avoiding a c-section was about being able to care for her newborn and other children effectively, since recovering from a c-section is a huge additional burden on top of caring for a newborn. This was not a decision made about protecting herself but a decision made about protecting her family from the consequences of her major surgery. She'd had several c-sections before (which she felt may have been unnecessary), which is why she was at risk of uterine rupture.

This is made worse by abortion bans. If you've had a prior c-section and are therefore at risk of uterine rupture, the only way out of a pregnancy in Florida past very early pregnancy is delivery. You are locked into major abdominal surgery even if you don't want the baby.

Re: Woman in Labor at Florida Hospital Brought in Zoom Court for Refusing C-Section

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“You’re somebody who is a bad mother, right?” Mutcherson said. “Which is a huge part of what the thought process is here. This is not what mothers do. Mothers sacrifice, including allowing somebody to cut you open.” You Americans have completely lost it.

Quoting this without context, people might think someone from the case said this about the expecting mother. Instead, this quote comes from a law professor (that the author interviewed maybe?), who was, I guess, projecting the thought on to those of the legal system. The author kind of stuck this right in the middle of the story, so I don't blame readers if they confused the quote with someone from the trial saying it.

Re: Woman in Labor at Florida Hospital Brought in Zoom Court for Refusing C-Section

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post #9

“You’re somebody who is a bad mother, right?” Mutcherson said. “Which is a huge part of what the thought process is here. This is not what mothers do. Mothers sacrifice, including allowing somebody to cut you open.” You Americans have completely lost it.

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Re: Woman in Labor at Florida Hospital Brought in Zoom Court for Refusing C-Section

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I read the whole thing an hour ago and I'm still not through processing all of the pros and the cons but the thing that really stands out for me is the degradation and the lack of humanity. A hospital taking a patient to court is on a level that I can not square with the Hippocratic Oath. During COVID there were all these people talking about 'bodily autonomy' and I felt that was overblown, vaccines are one of the be…

Part of the problem is the courts. There are many laws now about protecting babies, in this case of they'd done nothing and mother and baby both died, they could be arrested for that.

> they could be arrested for that

Is this real? Here in Argentina someone had a esophageal endoscopy a few years ago. The hospital used a high pressure air tank to insert air in the esophagus instead of a low pressure one. Her esophagus broke and she died for internal bleeding. She [the victim] was very well connected, an air TV journalist and a member of the council of the city of Buenos Aires (~3MM habitats, capital city). IIRC the only penalty was a 3 years sentence in parole the full time.

Re: Woman in Labor at Florida Hospital Brought in Zoom Court for Refusing C-Section

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post #9

“You’re somebody who is a bad mother, right?” Mutcherson said. “Which is a huge part of what the thought process is here. This is not what mothers do. Mothers sacrifice, including allowing somebody to cut you open.” You Americans have completely lost it.

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