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Re: An industrial piping contractor on Claude Code [video]

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I absolutely love this, because to me, this is what software development should be about, solving actual problems and providing faster calculations, improving the workflow for people. It does strike me as a little odd that they didn't hire a developer earlier and got the code written. Sitting back and waiting for someone to drop by and present a solution is a little naive, but it's also the world we built in the IT i…

Yeah the whole tech world did a weird side quest over the past 20 or so years huffing its own farts due to how the internet/adtech/etc sucked all the air out of everything else tech related. And the economy as a whole.

It also coincided with the hollowing out and offshoring of practically all US industrial and manufacturing capability.

I will be very happy if the result of AI means we go back to how things should actually be - where technology/IT is used to support real world things and acts as a backstage enabler to get shit done. Not the main event.

I often said since the early 00’s my dream would be to have made enough money in the insanely stupid “tech for tech sake” world to go back to just being one of a few “IT guys” supporting a factory and keeping the machines running. These jobs of course exist, but due to tech salaries very few small manufacturing businesses could support hiring such a person.

There is now a generation or two of technologists who don’t understand that the job isn’t to learn the latest hot web framework or yammer on about best practices or whatever. It’s to support a business in shipping actual products to customers.

Re: An industrial piping contractor on Claude Code [video]

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It's a really interesting case study, but the summary seems to lean into the AI hype to an extent that borders on lying.

> His fabrication shop uses it daily, and he built the entire thing in 8 weeks. During those 8 weeks he also had to learn everything about Claude Code, the terminal, VS Code, everything.

I don't see how he can give this summary with a straight face after posting the interview that CLEARLY contradicts it.

In the interview the engineer says "When Claud Code came out almost a year ago, I started dabbling with web based tools ..." and "When it first came out I had so many ideas and tried all these different things", so he had clearly already used extensively it for a year. I would also guess the engineer was somewhat technically minded from the get-go, since he claims he was "really good with excel" before starting with Claude Code, but that is beside the point.

The interviewer later asks "How much of those 8 weeks was learning Claude Code versus actually building the thing?", and the interviewee answers "Well, I started Claude Code when it first came out so the learning curve has really gone down for me now..." and then trails off to a different subject. Which further confirms that the summary in the post is false.

It really seems like the engineer has spent the year prior learning Claude Code and then spent 8 weeks on solely building this specific application.

The interviewer also claims "This would normally have taken a developer a year to build", which seems really unsubstantiated. It's of course hard to judge without all the details, but looking at the short demo in the video, 8 weeks of regular development time from a somewhat experienced developer doesn't seem too far fetched if the objective is "don't make it pretty, just make it work".

As I said, it's a really interesting case study about a paradigm shift in how software is developed, and it's clear this app would never have existed without Claude Code. So I don't really see the need for the blatant lying.

Re: An industrial piping contractor on Claude Code [video]

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It's a really interesting case study, but the summary seems to lean into the AI hype to an extent that borders on lying. > His fabrication shop uses it daily, and he built the entire thing in 8 weeks. During those 8 weeks he also had to learn everything about Claude Code, the terminal, VS Code, everything. I don't see how he can give this summary with a straight face after posting the interview that CLEARLY contradic…

I've noticed even experienced engineers have started overestimating how long things would take to build without AI. Believe it or not we coded before AI and not everything took years all the time.

Re: An industrial piping contractor on Claude Code [video]

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I feel both great and awful about this. For over a decade I’ve said that nearly anyone that uses a computer could benefit from some programming understanding. A little bit can go a long way to solving problems like this. Problems that collectively slow down and block the ambitions of a huge number of people worldwide.

But instead we’ve found a way to circumvent the process. Losing the understanding of your own problem and the new ideas that come off the back of it.

I’m reminded of the story that NASA had a research project to make pens that would work in space, and Roscosmos just used pencils. I always thought NASA came off worse in that anecdote, but I wonder what they learnt while making the pen…

Re: An industrial piping contractor on Claude Code [video]

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I've more or less accepted this, and I think my future is in making software more resilient, secure, and fault tolerant. These people will likely want to scale these solutions up, tie different solutions together, and generally make their lives increasingly difficult. Often without realizing it. My experience is that Claude starts to make quite a mess in this context, and it'll often cause as many problems as it solv…

What were you doing before, if not making resilient software?

I find that scalability is usually overblown because computers are fast now, which is not to say you shouldn't make it run fast on one computer.

Re: An industrial piping contractor on Claude Code [video]

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I've more or less accepted this, and I think my future is in making software more resilient, secure, and fault tolerant. These people will likely want to scale these solutions up, tie different solutions together, and generally make their lives increasingly difficult. Often without realizing it. My experience is that Claude starts to make quite a mess in this context, and it'll often cause as many problems as it solv…

Are we sure Claude Scale™ won’t appear next month? A specialist agent that turns your vibe coded mess into a production grade scaled solution on their infrastructure.

Expect anthropic to want to capture more of the supply chain over time

Re: An industrial piping contractor on Claude Code [video]

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I don't get it - it's an app that uses an image model to parse a pdf file and structure the data with a csv export?

Yes that phrase shows how simple it is, doesn't it?

But before LLMs, computers couldn't understand that phrase. Now they can.

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