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OpenCode – Open source AI coding agent

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Re: OpenCode – Open source AI coding agent

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Post by eastbound »

heavyset_go wrote: post #271
nsonha wrote: post #200

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so how is telemetry not open? If you don't like telemetry for dogmatic reasons then don't use it. Find the alternative magical product whose dev team is able to improve the software blindfolded

> Find the alternative magical product whose dev team is able to improve the software blindfolded The choice isn't "telemetry or you're blindfolded", the other options include actually interacting with your userbase. Surveys exist, interviews exist, focus groups exist, fostering communities that you can engage is a thing, etc. For example, I was recruited and paid $500 to spend an hour on a panel discussing what deve…

> Surveys exist, interviews exist, focus groups exist, fostering communities that you can engage is a thing, etc.

We all know it’s extremely, extremely hard to interact with your userbase.

> For example I was paid $500 an hour

+the time to find volunteers doubled that, so for $1000 an hour x 10 user interviews, a free software can have feedback from 0.001% of their users. I dislike telemetry, but it’s a lie to say it’s optional.

—a company with no telemetry on neither of our downloadable or cloud product.

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Post by gmassman »

heavyset_go wrote: post #257

By default OpenCode sends all of your prompts to Grok's free tier to come up with chat summaries for the UI. To change that, you need to set a custom "small model" in the settings.

Seems like an anti-pattern to me to run AI models without user’s consent.

Re: OpenCode – Open source AI coding agent

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Post by exitb »

heavyset_go wrote: post #257

By default OpenCode sends all of your prompts to Grok's free tier to come up with chat summaries for the UI. To change that, you need to set a custom "small model" in the settings.

My understanding is that it’s best to set a whitelist in enabled_providers, which prevents it from using providers you don’t anticipate.

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Post by krzyk »

hippycruncher22 wrote: post #61

I'm a https://pi.dev man myself.

Why most of those tools are written in js/ts?

JS is not something that was developed with CLI in mind and on top of that that language does not lend itself to be good for LLM generation as it has pretty weak validation compared to e.g. Rust, or event C, even python.

Not to mention memory usage or performance.

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Post by staticassertion »

girvo wrote: post #244
siddboots wrote: post #159

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Openclaw has 20k commits, almost 700k lines of code, and it is only four months old. I feel confident that that sort of code base would have a no coherent architecture at all, and also that no human has a good mental model of how the various subsystems interact. I’m sure we’ll all learn a lot from these early days of agentic coding.

> I’m sure we’ll all learn a lot from these early days of agentic coding. So far what I am learning (from watching all of this) is that our constant claims that quality and security matter seem to not be true on average. Depressingly.

> our constant claims that quality and security matter

I'm 13 years into this industry, this is the first I'm hearing of this.

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Post by danielovichdk »

heavyset_go wrote: post #264
westoque wrote: post #128

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> The problem for me is that the development practices of the people that are working on it are suboptimal at best; they're constantly releasing at an extremely high cadence, where they don't even spend the time to test or fix things (or even build a proper list of changes for each release), and they add, remove, refine, change, fix, and break features constantly at that accelerated pace. this is what i notice with o…

We're still in the very early days of generative AI, and people and markets are already prioritizing quality over quantity. Quantity is irrelevant when it comes value. All code is not fungible, "irreverent code that kinda looks okay at first glance" might be a commodity, but well-tested, well-designed and well-understood code is what's valuable.

Generative what? Code is not a thing anymore, in fact it never really was, but now it's definitely not.

Code today can be as verbose and ugly as ever, because from here on out, fewer people are going to read it, understand and care about it.

What's valuable, and you know this I think, is how much money your software will sell for, not how fine and polished your code is.

Code was a liability. Today it's a liability that cost much much less.

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Post by AlexCoventry »

_ache_ wrote: post #265
AlexCoventry wrote: post #239

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Yes, you are doing it too with antropic an xAI. I don't get your point. xAI and OpenAI are a little worst? Maybe, still very well fascism.

IMO, OpenAI have either implicitly committed to becoming the IT service for Trump's secret police, or they've willingly signed up for the harsh retaliation Anthropic's getting, knowing that the Trump administration will inevitably try to push OpenAI around in the same way, if they meaningfully refuse to assist in domestic mass surveillance efforts.

Re: OpenCode – Open source AI coding agent

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Post by taosx »

The only thing I'm wondering is if they have eval frameworks (for lack of a better word). Their prompts don't seem to have changed for a while and I find greater success after testing and writing my own system prompts + modification to the harness to have the smallest most concise system prompt + dynamic prompt snippets per project.

I feel that if you want to build a coding agent / harness the first thing you should do is to build an evaluation framework to track performance for coding by having your internal metrics and task performance, instead I see most coding agents just fiddle with adding features that don't improve the core ability of a coding agent.

Re: OpenCode – Open source AI coding agent

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Post by nunchiai »

girvo wrote: post #244
siddboots wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Openclaw has 20k commits, almost 700k lines of code, and it is only four months old. I feel confident that that sort of code base would have a no coherent architecture at all, and also that no human has a good mental model of how the various subsystems interact. I’m sure we’ll all learn a lot from these early days of agentic coding.

> I’m sure we’ll all learn a lot from these early days of agentic coding. So far what I am learning (from watching all of this) is that our constant claims that quality and security matter seem to not be true on average. Depressingly.

I think what we're seeing is a phase transition. In the early days of any paradigm shift, velocity trumps stability because the market rewards first movers.

But as agents move from prototypes to production, the calculus changes. Production systems need: - Memory continuity across sessions - Predictable behavior across updates - Security boundaries that don't leak

The tools that prioritize these will win the enterprise market. The ones that don't will stay in the prototype/hobbyist space.

We're still in the "move fast" phase, but the "break things" part is starting to hurt real users. The pendulum will swing back.

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