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Re: Our commitment to Windows quality

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Post by pathartl »

jiggawatts wrote: post #552
lousken wrote: post #450

What about bringing back old notepad and improving admin apps? MMC snapins haven't been touched in years and still can't even sort those columns properly, search and filtering is terrible Control panel is still not migrated over to settings after 12 years nor you can open two settings apps. Error messages in modern apps are just the worst, how about printing valuable error messages than "something is wrong"? Fixing d…

> improving admin apps? They have a bunch of replacements, all of which are slow as molasses and not feature complete. 1. Server Manager. 2. Windows Admin Centre. 3. Settings App (same as desktop). 4. PowerShell 5. DSC 6. Azure Arc There's also Active Directory Administrative Center which never replaced dsa.msc for me or anyone I've ever worked with. Similarly, there's like half a dozen performance monitor tools for…

PowerShell is slow or not feature complete? It's arguably one of the best shells out there.

Re: Our commitment to Windows quality

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Post by pathartl »

kbelder wrote: post #272

>More fluid and responsive app interactions: Reducing interaction latency by moving core Windows experiences to the WinUI3 framework. I think this is good, because they're talking about removing (hideously inappropriate) react and other web technologies from core OS components, and using proper native OS calls instead. But I'm not familiar with WinUI3. I only know Win32. Is WinUI3 a flash-in-the-pan system like their…

God, the React stuff is so overblown. There's one small section of the start menu that's built with React Native for Windows, which is _not_ React and _not_ React Native, but a flavor of React that compiles down to native code calling Windows APIs.

Re: Our commitment to Windows quality

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Post by wojciii »

queuebert wrote: post #676
999900000999 wrote: post #499

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Normal people can not install an OS. Aside from like 3 ThinkPads on Lenovo's website, you can't really buy Linux pre installed on a computer. This is about the MacBook Neo coming for the budget laptop market. At 500$ it's an easy choice.

System76 sells some pretty nice computers with Linux preinstalled. Not to mention every Chromebook is a Linux machine.

> Not to mention every Chromebook is a Linux machine.

.. which might need a bit of tinkering to install Linux on. Just because it runs a kernel doesn't mean it will be usable out of the box.

For example this: https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/1nc1jui/how_to_actua...

Re: Our commitment to Windows quality

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Post by 999900000999 »

Induane wrote: post #709
999900000999 wrote: post #499

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Normal people can not install an OS. Aside from like 3 ThinkPads on Lenovo's website, you can't really buy Linux pre installed on a computer. This is about the MacBook Neo coming for the budget laptop market. At 500$ it's an easy choice.

Those and System76 of course. Plus the SteamDeck is Linux, as are a number of other handheld gaming systems. The new Steam Machine is as well.

Starting at 1700 USD, vs 500$ for a Neo or a very capable Windows PC on sale.

My personal favorite is a lightly used Thinkpad, you can get a nice Linux machine for under 400$. But it's still a lot of work for most people.

If a Ubuntu update does something weird, what do you do with your 1700$ System 76 laptop ?

With your Neo, you go to the Apple store and they'll sort it out.

Re: Our commitment to Windows quality

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Post by Lammy »

accoil wrote: post #645
Lammy wrote: post #625

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> and now we have 3 different versions of the audio control panel in Windows And yet somehow none of them are as nice as https://eartrumpet.app/ lol

What makes that nicer than the built in volume mixer?

Per-app mixing on the first-level menu. I like SoundSource on macOS for the same reason: https://rogueamoeba.com/soundsource/

Re: Our commitment to Windows quality

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Post by applfanboysbgon »

ux266478 wrote: post #683
GTP wrote: post #516

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> Linux frequently demands that I spend hours chasing down issues This is one of the points where people have vastly different experiences. I'm one of those that has fewer issues with Linux, and I definitely don't spend hours fixing problems. And this despite the fact that I use Arch, which is supposed to be an unstable distro. Why is that different users report so different experiences I don't know. I think that thi…

No, it has to do with how your system is set up. Without fail, someone who has his opinion about Linux is using some ungodly bloated corpse of a distro because they genuinely do not know better. Hence why they blame their system's problems on the kernel, despite ostensibly never having any actual problems with the kernel itself. It's not like Linux is particularly perfect, but how many complaints about using it as th…

> Hence why they blame their system's problems on the kernel

I'm not blaming anything on the kernel (other than memory management). The userland ecosystem is part of what makes an OS, a perfect kernel with no userland is of no value to the general populace. You don't really get to discount everyone's complaints about the Linux experience because they aren't complaints about the kernel, or at least you won't convince anyone by doing so. It is clearly possible to solve many of the issues I have on top of the Linux kernel, because Android used to be decent, but it seems the desktop ecosystem is just locked in to too many bad choices at this point.

The vast majority of complaints about Windows have nothing to do with the NT kernel, either, which by most accounts is actually quite good.

Re: Our commitment to Windows quality

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Post by vitorgrs »

lm28469 wrote: post #252
dmos62 wrote: post #195

I'm somewhat surprised that Windows is still most of personal computers. In my eyes, it's fundamentally inferior to Linux, and its superficial superiority only comes from the ecosystem, which is to say adoption, not some inherent trait. But then, since Linux adoption didn't meaningfully change in the last 20 years, I'm forced to confront the fact that either I'm wrong about its fundamentals, or the market is able to…

I recently installed Fedora and holy shit it's still not production ready. During the initial setup you need to input your location, you have a choice between clicking on the map or typing the city, I don't remember which it is but one of them makes your system freeze, no way to get out other than a reboot. It's documented since Fedora 42, and was still there on Fedora 43 Every time my swap is full the entire system…

Try arch, it's RAM management it's way better. Use Endeavouros if you don't want to deal with the arch install.

I have the same experience on Fedora, and most distros. Arch is the only distro that it's 100% smooth for me.

OpenSuse comes second.

Re: Our commitment to Windows quality

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Post by CodeCompost »

jongjong wrote: post #770
PaulKeeble wrote: post #469

Microsoft has spent over a decade swimming against their users interests at this point and during that time frame Linux has been improving its desktop and improving kernel performance. We are now at the point where Linux emulating Window's entire API space for games with worse drivers is dangerously close on performance with none of the privacy invasion and anti user features. Its pretty late in the game for them to…

The media is a powerful force. When I first tried Ubuntu decades ago it was like an awakening and I started seeing every developer using Windows and Mac as brainwashed fools. That's not to pick on others because I also started seeing my former self as brainwashed. For a developer, Linux is far superior for many reasons. Moving from Windows to Linux reminds me of Plato’s Allegory of the Cave. A lot of times, with soft…

> For a developer, Linux is far superior for many reasons.

This is precisely why Microsoft created WSL2

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