Woman in Labor at Florida Hospital Brought in Zoom Court for Refusing C-Section
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Re: Woman in Labor at Florida Hospital Brought in Zoom Court for Refusing C-Section
#2WTF? This is shameful. It’s also why I feel vaccine mandates shouldn’t be legal. We all have a fundamental right to our bodies. The government shouldn’t be able to force you to make different choices when it comes to your body.
Re: Woman in Labor at Florida Hospital Brought in Zoom Court for Refusing C-Section
#3I read the whole thing an hour ago and I'm still not through processing all of the pros and the cons but the thing that really stands out for me is the degradation and the lack of humanity. A hospital taking a patient to court is on a level that I can not square with the Hippocratic Oath.
During COVID there were all these people talking about 'bodily autonomy' and I felt that was overblown, vaccines are one of the best things that have happened to humanity and the only reason that a very large number of inevitably fatal or grievously harming diseases have come under control and are no longer a cause for infant mortality or lifelong paralysis.
But this is on another level, very personal and immediate and I find I can't shift my perspective to the 'common good' one here. A hospital performing surgery on you that you explicitly say you do not want and then forcing you by putting you in court through 'zoom' is such a mis-application of technology that I wonder if they remember why they are there in the first place. This does not feel like care to me.
I've been in hospital a couple of times in my life and I never had the idea that that machine that was taking care of me could turn against me. But this poor woman will most likely never want to see the inside of a hospital again.
Re: Woman in Labor at Florida Hospital Brought in Zoom Court for Refusing C-Section
#4WTF? This is shameful. It’s also why I feel vaccine mandates shouldn’t be legal. We all have a fundamental right to our bodies. The government shouldn’t be able to force you to make different choices when it comes to your body.
Yes, that's precisely the thing I'm struggling with because I think vaccine mandates should be legal: it's everybody's lives at stake. But I recognize the conflict and the inconsistency.
Re: Woman in Labor at Florida Hospital Brought in Zoom Court for Refusing C-Section
#5WTF? This is shameful. It’s also why I feel vaccine mandates shouldn’t be legal. We all have a fundamental right to our bodies. The government shouldn’t be able to force you to make different choices when it comes to your body.
Vaccine mandates agent quite comparable to a court ordered C-section. The vaccine mandates were about employment, the State didn't force injections or send anyone to jail for not getting vaccinated. The government even had the power to fine people and didn't use it
Your continued employment as a healthcare worker, government worker or contractor, could be made conditional on vaccination status, though.
Re: Woman in Labor at Florida Hospital Brought in Zoom Court for Refusing C-Section
#6I read the whole thing an hour ago and I'm still not through processing all of the pros and the cons but the thing that really stands out for me is the degradation and the lack of humanity. A hospital taking a patient to court is on a level that I can not square with the Hippocratic Oath. During COVID there were all these people talking about 'bodily autonomy' and I felt that was overblown, vaccines are one of the be…
Part of the problem is the courts. There are many laws now about protecting babies, in this case of they'd done nothing and mother and baby both died, they could be arrested for that.
Re: Woman in Labor at Florida Hospital Brought in Zoom Court for Refusing C-Section
#7WTF? This is shameful. It’s also why I feel vaccine mandates shouldn’t be legal. We all have a fundamental right to our bodies. The government shouldn’t be able to force you to make different choices when it comes to your body.
I agree it's disturbing and sad.
Vaccine mandates are more difficult. If this mother's freedom wasn't violated then she would only risk herself and her baby. If somebody doesn't take a vaccine they place risk on many other people (mostly children) who can't be vaccinated by weakening herd immunity.
Re: Woman in Labor at Florida Hospital Brought in Zoom Court for Refusing C-Section
#8WTF? This is shameful. It’s also why I feel vaccine mandates shouldn’t be legal. We all have a fundamental right to our bodies. The government shouldn’t be able to force you to make different choices when it comes to your body.
Vaccines are a social responsibility like paying taxes. If you don't want vaccines, then go off-grid and stop free loading on our infrastructure and society.
Re: Woman in Labor at Florida Hospital Brought in Zoom Court for Refusing C-Section
#9“You’re somebody who is a bad mother, right?” Mutcherson said. “Which is a huge part of what the thought process is here. This is not what mothers do. Mothers sacrifice, including allowing somebody to cut you open.”
You Americans have completely lost it.
Re: Woman in Labor at Florida Hospital Brought in Zoom Court for Refusing C-Section
#10WTF? This is shameful. It’s also why I feel vaccine mandates shouldn’t be legal. We all have a fundamental right to our bodies. The government shouldn’t be able to force you to make different choices when it comes to your body.
I disagree. The government SHOULD be able to force people to do things to be up to standard for the good of society. Attending a basic level of public education? Maintenance of hygiene? REASONABLE actions to prevent the spread of diseases? I believe a vaccine which has been scientifically proven to have a lower risk of death than the disease it prevents qualifies as such.
Contrast the above with a case of two lives in one package. An independently functional mother and an as yet unborn child. Is it reasonable to allow the mother to risk their own life (and endanger the linked child's life) in pursuit of some belief when that risk does not spread to others? That is a very different question than one which has an impact on risk to society as a whole.
I will say, if you support enforcing a particular outcome against 'parents rights' in this case, you had better also be for more state intervention and standards upkeep with respect to ensuring that child has sufficient resources and support to become a functioning member of society. If you're willing to go that far, then I can support the logical stance of extending said support even to the point of forcing the child out of their mother against the only individual who could consent or deny consent for that effort.