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The Reason Windows Hate Is Exploding: It's the End of Personal Computing [video]

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Re: The Reason Windows Hate Is Exploding: It's the End of Personal Computing [video]

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Post by pathartl »

neogodless wrote: post #100
pathartl wrote: post #80

I still don't understand all of the hate. In my eyes Windows has never been more capable and stable. - Windows Terminal is actually pretty dang good - There's actually a package manager built in now with WinGet - Hyper-V comes with pro and is incredibly powerful - While WSL2 isn't great at times, it does fill in a lot of gaps and working with Docker is pretty seamless - Ever since Windows Defender became standard, cl…

Most of those benefits were available in Windows 10, with less of the pain and shortcomings of Windows 11. I like that list, and appreciate those items. I run Windows... begrudgingly 11. But why can't I have the above without... - full screen ads for Microsoft 365 / Copilot - inserting Copilot everywhere - changing the UI and removing user choice, such as where you pin your task bar, how you like your start menu to w…

While 10 got a bunch of features back ported, they've started out on 11 and I would argue many of them wouldn't have happened if they didn't learn from the mistakes of 8 and 10. Particularly when it comes to UI uniformity. As for the other complaints, I don't fully disagree, but so much of what you listed can be disabled / customized that it often doesn't affect me past OOBE.

I'm not saying Windows is infallible, but it's actually getting quite insufferable to hear nothing but the Windows hate train day in and day out as if it has no redeeming qualities and the only reason we aren't on Linux is because some game developers want nasty anti cheat/DRM measures. I think the proliferation of this is largely due in part to "Windows sucks" being an actual valid avenue of revenue for creators.

Re: The Reason Windows Hate Is Exploding: It's the End of Personal Computing [video]

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Post by josephg »

throwaway27448 wrote: post #42
josephg wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nah. I think the problem is that windows and macOS did everything users wanted them to do about 10-15 years ago. Everything since then has been lipstick on a pig. If windows were a building, they need to stop tacking on more rooms like it’s a gaudy McMansion. If they really wanna keep working on it, work to make what’s already there more beautiful. Optimise. Reduce the install size. Clean up some of the decades of te…

> did everything users wanted them to do about 10-15 years ago. Certainly not; not by a long shot. Besides, most users don't even understand the potential of software. But why bother improving it if you still make money shipping crap?

Like what? What important user facing features were shipped in the last 10 years in windows or macOS?

Re: The Reason Windows Hate Is Exploding: It's the End of Personal Computing [video]

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Post by dpark »

swed420 wrote: post #108
dpark wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Occam‘s razor says prefer the simpler explanation. It is possible that Google as an organization had enough foresight to see that search would eventually be eaten by AI chat bots and so intentionally degraded the experience of search to encourage movement in that direction. And also that Google was too dumb to actually ship their chat bot first and capitalized on their choice to sabotage search. It seems a lot more l…

These things are not mutually exclusive.

Your thesis would seem to be that Google is playing some 4D chess, but also kind of sucks at it. I mean, that could be the case, I guess.

Re: The Reason Windows Hate Is Exploding: It's the End of Personal Computing [video]

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Post by swed420 »

dpark wrote: post #113
swed420 wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These things are not mutually exclusive.

Your thesis would seem to be that Google is playing some 4D chess, but also kind of sucks at it. I mean, that could be the case, I guess.

No it isn't. Try again.

Re: The Reason Windows Hate Is Exploding: It's the End of Personal Computing [video]

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Post by dpark »

swed420 wrote: post #114
dpark wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your thesis would seem to be that Google is playing some 4D chess, but also kind of sucks at it. I mean, that could be the case, I guess.

No it isn't. Try again.

> We saw it begin years ago with Google etc gradually reducing the quality of search results. Then ChatGPT etc arrive shortly thereafter, and people are led to conclude "it works so much better than traditional search." Hard to believe these two events are unrelated.

So Google ruined search so they could give their market share to ChatGPT. 4D chess. Maybe 5D even.

If you have some explanation for how doing this makes any sense at all, please share. But I think you’re basically engaging in conspiracy theory by claiming Google intentionally reduced the quality of search to drive AI adoption.

Re: The Reason Windows Hate Is Exploding: It's the End of Personal Computing [video]

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Post by swed420 »

dpark wrote: post #116
swed420 wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No it isn't. Try again.

> We saw it begin years ago with Google etc gradually reducing the quality of search results. Then ChatGPT etc arrive shortly thereafter, and people are led to conclude "it works so much better than traditional search." Hard to believe these two events are unrelated. So Google ruined search so they could give their market share to ChatGPT. 4D chess. Maybe 5D even. If you have some explanation for how doing this makes…

It's not that hard to synthesize how business leadership would both optimize for the present of the pre-AI era while also continually refining their strategy as AI became clearer on the horizon.

You're jumping through hoops when this really isn't that complicated or far fetched in a business sense.

Re: The Reason Windows Hate Is Exploding: It's the End of Personal Computing [video]

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Post by dpark »

swed420 wrote: post #117
dpark wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We saw it begin years ago with Google etc gradually reducing the quality of search results. Then ChatGPT etc arrive shortly thereafter, and people are led to conclude "it works so much better than traditional search." Hard to believe these two events are unrelated. So Google ruined search so they could give their market share to ChatGPT. 4D chess. Maybe 5D even. If you have some explanation for how doing this makes…

It's not that hard to synthesize how business leadership would both optimize for the present of the pre-AI era while also continually refining their strategy as AI became clearer on the horizon. You're jumping through hoops when this really isn't that complicated or far fetched in a business sense.

It makes no sense that Google would intentionally degrade their search quality now (and even years ago) for some hypothetical future where they have replaced it with AI.

It is extremely farfetched because it would provide no present or future advantage to Google to do so. If they hypothetically wanted to intentionally degrade their search, they could always do that when they are ready for the switch to AI.

Re: The Reason Windows Hate Is Exploding: It's the End of Personal Computing [video]

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Post by swed420 »

dpark wrote: post #118
swed420 wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not that hard to synthesize how business leadership would both optimize for the present of the pre-AI era while also continually refining their strategy as AI became clearer on the horizon. You're jumping through hoops when this really isn't that complicated or far fetched in a business sense.

It makes no sense that Google would intentionally degrade their search quality now (and even years ago) for some hypothetical future where they have replaced it with AI. It is extremely farfetched because it would provide no present or future advantage to Google to do so. If they hypothetically wanted to intentionally degrade their search, they could always do that when they are ready for the switch to AI.

> It makes no sense that Google would intentionally degrade their search quality now (and even years ago) for some hypothetical future where they have replaced it with AI.

It literally does though.

Furthermore, even if you reject that, in practice it could be as simple as Google funneling resources from maintaining search (which is obviously a never ending game of cat-and-mouse between forces of SEO, etc) to AI prospects, which would have the same outcome: neglect leads to degradation and dysfunction, and it makes their new venture more appealing. They obviously have enough capital to play such a game in the short-term and eat whatever loss necessary during the transition.

Google is well known by now for abandoning their products in favor of what they deem to be the Next Thing.

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