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Re: BYD is seeing a flood of new EV buyers

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Post by triceratops »

bluGill wrote: post #207
triceratops wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A car's ownership costs are dominated by fuel and depreciation (which is a proxy for repairs and maintenance - brake pads, oil changes etc). You're probably going to come out ahead of the fixed costs of licensing, insurance, and registration on gasoline savings alone. The parking spot may or may not be an issue. If you can charge an EV at home, you likely have a garage or driveway. If not, then sure this doesn't appl…

it depends, but for the average driver who in the US is doing about 14000 miles per year the savings will be less than $200/month. that barely covers insurance and taxes leaving little for the rest.

Where are you paying $200/month for insurance and registration? For a $20k car?

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Post by bmicraft »

nico wrote: post #9
jrjeksjd8d wrote: post #3

I finally put my money where my mouth is and bought a PHEV. In the past month I've done all my errands around town exclusively on battery power (30-40 miles per charge) from a home L1 charger. I know EV purists will complain about the complexity of maintaining the gas engine, but this hits the perfect sweet spot for me - it doesn't weigh a million tons, it cost under 40k new, and the one weekend a month when I need t…

I think plug-in hybrids are the perfect combo. You get amazing flexibility and if you mostly drive locally, then 80-90% you are probably purely driving electric When we bought are last car, I would've bought one of those if there had been a Toyota or Honda minivan. We ended up going for a regular hybrid instead. Hopefully this category gets adopted by more car makers

The main problem with PHEV is, that's it's comparably small battery will age very poorly because it will both: a) do more charge/discharge cycles per distance driven, and b) get charged and discharged closer to 0 & 100% making the battery age even faster.

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Post by HeyLaughingBoy »

triceratops wrote: post #221
bluGill wrote: post #207

Earlier quoted context omitted.

it depends, but for the average driver who in the US is doing about 14000 miles per year the savings will be less than $200/month. that barely covers insurance and taxes leaving little for the rest.

Where are you paying $200/month for insurance and registration? For a $20k car?

Is that a lot? I pay less than that for full coverage on two cars and liability only on one.

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Post by triceratops »

ambicapter wrote: post #109
cogman10 wrote: post #99

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> this will probably make some people very rich yes > has the potential to be good for parts of the us energy sector. No way this is good for anyone other than oil producers. The only potential positive it'll have on the US energy and shipping sectors is this is going to put even more pressure on adopting renewables as fossil fuel cost spikes.

Well then that's good for the US renewable energy sector, no?

Not always. Inflation often leads to higher interest rates. This puts a damper on financing for renewable energy projects.

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Post by overfeed »

raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #119
smallerfish wrote: post #90

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> in two decades While I agree with your overall point, I'm reminded of "the market can stay irrational longer than you can stay solvent" here. The US is a huge economy with a massive military infrastructure. I don't think it's fading to fallen empire status that quickly.

Europe is wisely waking up and starting to loosen its military dependence on the US. Hopefully they are/will do the same when it comes to medical research since the US has been taken over by anti-vaxxers. I’m saying this as a non European. I’m an American who is making plans to split my time between the US and Costa Rica (here now) and maybe Panama and would love to see them become close to Europe politically.

> Hopefully they are/will do the same when it comes to medical research since the US has been taken over by anti-vaxxers.

Aren't European companies already very competitive in drug development and Medical devices? Philips practically owns the ultrasound markets globally -- Novo Nordisk, GSK, Bayer, Merck, seem competitive too.

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Post by raw_anon_1111 »

overfeed wrote: post #225
raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Europe is wisely waking up and starting to loosen its military dependence on the US. Hopefully they are/will do the same when it comes to medical research since the US has been taken over by anti-vaxxers. I’m saying this as a non European. I’m an American who is making plans to split my time between the US and Costa Rica (here now) and maybe Panama and would love to see them become close to Europe politically.

> Hopefully they are/will do the same when it comes to medical research since the US has been taken over by anti-vaxxers. Aren't European companies already very competitive in drug development and Medical devices? Philips practically owns the ultrasound markets globally -- Novo Nordisk, GSK, Bayer, Merck, seem competitive too.

I have no idea. That’s why I was purposefully being wishy washy.

Re: BYD is seeing a flood of new EV buyers

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Post by bluGill »

triceratops wrote: post #221
bluGill wrote: post #207

Earlier quoted context omitted.

it depends, but for the average driver who in the US is doing about 14000 miles per year the savings will be less than $200/month. that barely covers insurance and taxes leaving little for the rest.

Where are you paying $200/month for insurance and registration? For a $20k car?

Insurance and taxes are about $100 on my 25 year old truck. I replaced it (fuel tank rusted off) a month ago so I don't know what it is on a 20k car yet. There isn't much you can maintain for $100 a month. That 20k car is several hundred a month and mowt people replace them when paid off.

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Post by michaelteter »

karel-3d wrote: post #205
michaelteter wrote: post #58

If one removed the country names and just looked at where investment (focus, planning, and money) was, we would see two greatly different pictures. One country is disincentivizing or even blocking renewable energy production, rolling back climate protection measures, trying to revitalize the coal industry, slashing investment in scientific research of all kinds, demonizing higher education, and spending vast and rapi…

China is one of the top producers of CO2? They also keep building new coal plants faster than anyone Energy doesn't appear immaculately from the heavens. You need to spend a lot of conventional fossil fuel to be able to make renewables

You should review this - CO2 per capita by country.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_carbon_di...

Re: BYD is seeing a flood of new EV buyers

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Post by Sohcahtoa82 »

WarmWash wrote: post #199
jrjeksjd8d wrote: post #3

I finally put my money where my mouth is and bought a PHEV. In the past month I've done all my errands around town exclusively on battery power (30-40 miles per charge) from a home L1 charger. I know EV purists will complain about the complexity of maintaining the gas engine, but this hits the perfect sweet spot for me - it doesn't weigh a million tons, it cost under 40k new, and the one weekend a month when I need t…

I'll throw my hat in the ring of rage: PHEVs are (largely) for consumers who don't understand how EVs work (but think they do) and are too scared of having to sit in their car and charge for an hour anytime they leave the town perimeter. In reality with most EVs, you can drive 500 miles with one 30 minute charge. That's 7 hours of driving at 65mph, and one 30 minute charge. I know everyone claims to be a psychopath d…

I've driven from Portland to Santa Clara and back twice in my EV. The first time, I actually planned my charging stops and made a spreadsheet of expected charging times and actual charging times.

The first time I did the trip, for each 665 mile leg, I spent about 75 minutes charging, which certainly gives more charging time per mile than your estimate, but it's also because I wanted to arrive at my destination with 80%, and also I gave ABetterRoutePlanner pessimistic numbers regarding my range, and as a result, was charging at higher SoC's than planned. Still though, even with the poor planning, I spent literally zero minutes sitting in the car waiting for it to charge.

A year and a half ago, I drove from Portland to San Diego and back. 2,200 miles. I had zero complaints about charging times.

I did have some minor range anxiety last year driving around Yellowstone, since I'd only have access to a charger at the start and end of my day. Just had to remind myself that I wasn't really driving THAT far throughout the day, and that the driving I WAS doing was going to be relatively slow.

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Post by wbsun »

fainpul wrote: post #169
eqvinox wrote: post #149

I'm in Shenzhen currently. Do you know how quiet the city is, even during rush hour? It's amazing. All because almost every car is electric. Even the damn scooters. It'd actually be enjoyable to be outdoor in downtown if they fixed the air pollution… (some of which of course powers these cars… for now.)

EVs are only quiet when driving very slowly. At about 50 km/h (30 mph) they are pretty much the same as ICE cars. What's the general speed limit where you are?

In SF bay area, there are always gas cars trying to show off their horsepower especially during rush hours, no matter how slow the traffic is. That noise is more annoying than tires.
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