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Wayland set the Linux Desktop back by 10 years?

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Re: Wayland set the Linux Desktop back by 10 years?

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> Have fun trying to make Deskflow/Synergy working on GDM. Just install less secure packages, or an entire less secure OS, we’re not stopping you.

Or just install Windows, install Deskflow, do my job, earn my money, pay my bills, go on vacation, take a sun bath and stop using an OS developed by people wearing thin foil aluminum hats.

Also not stopping you from that. =]

PS tinfoil is an antenna..?

Re: Wayland set the Linux Desktop back by 10 years?

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CS1, right? If so, can you please detail what you might have done differently?Load options? Some package or another I might be missing? All I know is that with Xorg it worked perfectly, I upgraded Fedora, and now that I only have Wayland, whatever I was doing before no longer works. I'd be grateful for the help.

I am using a system-installed Steam, but sometimes a Steam Flatpak can help with troubleshooting, because it bundles components inside of the flatpak. Running games this way may give you a 5% performance penalty, but it's a good way to see if you have a packaging issue (other things needing installed, or misconfigured). Also are you running th Linux native one or the proton version? I run everything through Steam wit…

I'll try again. I tried both native Linux and a dozen Proton builds, and none would load, even with no mods or DLC. I'll try again with the latest, and if that doesn't work, I'll try the flatpak instead of via RPM Fusion.

Re: Wayland set the Linux Desktop back by 10 years?

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I just played Skylines last night via Proton-GE. AMD GPU. Fedora 43. Gnome.

CS1, right? If so, can you please detail what you might have done differently?Load options? Some package or another I might be missing? All I know is that with Xorg it worked perfectly, I upgraded Fedora, and now that I only have Wayland, whatever I was doing before no longer works. I'd be grateful for the help.

The Steamdeck loads games into some kind of nested x11 renderer-in-a-window, I think. If for no other reason than to try to avoid Wayland’s extra input latency? Dunno. Maybe you lost some component it needs to work, if regular Steam also does that.

Re: Wayland set the Linux Desktop back by 10 years?

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My experience lately has been similar. Most things work well now. But, I think the article has some valid points about how long it's taken to get even this far. And it just kinda sucks that some things are still broken or don't have alternatives (the #1 thing I miss right now is Barrier (Synergy) for using my macbook from my linux desktop). HDR gaming on linux is possible thanks to Valve but it's still nowhere near a…

> the #1 thing I miss right now is Barrier (Synergy) for using my macbook from my linux desktop) It's admittedly tough to keep up with all of the forks that have happened, but the current iteration, Input Leap, has worked for this for me for years now https://github.com/input-leap/input-leap

I tried that recently and it didn't seem to work with my particular setup (Sway window manager). Or at least, the tray app won't open any windows to see if it's enabled/disabled/configured properly.

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It's all open-source. If you think the maintainers are trying to sabotage the codebase, you have the freedom to fork it.

> If you think the maintainers are trying to sabotage the codebase, you have the freedom to fork it. But do you have the skill to actually maintain that fork? Do you have the time to keep it going?

Sucks for you, but you can't then turn around and expect someone else to invest these for you when they don't want to.

Re: Wayland set the Linux Desktop back by 10 years?

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There is no "Wayland" to address these issues. It's like asking "web" to address its issues. Wayland is a protocol with multiple different implementations.

But this is sort of the nature of the problem? In X11, the problem was Xserver. Now, X11's design philosophy was hopelessly broken and needed to be replaced, but it wasn't replaced. As you correctly point out, there is no "Wayland", Wayland is a methodology, a description, of how one might implement the technologies necessary to replace X11. This has led to hopeless fracturing and replication of effort. Every WM is f…

I maintain Red Hat backed it as part of a play to make it harder to develop competing distros that aren’t basically identical to Red Hat’s product.

Their actions on systemd, Wayland, plus gnome and associated tech, sure look like classic “fire and motion”. Everyone else has to play catch-up, and they steer enough incompatible-with-alternatives default choices that it’s a ton of work and may involve serious compromises to resist just doing whatever they do.

Re: Wayland set the Linux Desktop back by 10 years?

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I strongly disagree with the premise. Regardless of how you feel about Wayland, its creation set off _massive_ improvements across the entire Linux graphics stack. For those of us who were using Linux on the desktop in decades past, remember when you couldn't use a GPU without X running? Remember the days when you needed an X session running in order to use CUDA or OpenCL? Remember the days when the entire graphics d…

Same thing with Pulse Audio People cursed the name for years, because it exposed all of the terrible, glitchy audio hardware drivers and refused on general principle to work around the issues to the degree that previous audio solutions had. And the result was that while the experience was inconsistent and buggy for years, it did eventually drag the Linux audio stack into a better place.

It also used a large multiple more memory than Alsa + basically any existing plausible combo of mixer software on top of alsa. While doing nothing. For no clear reason. And chewed processor cycles, while doing nothing. Back when 50MB was a meaningful amount of memory, and most machines were still single-core.

It was plainly really poorly-architected, just looking at its resource use patterns made this obvious in a heartbeat.

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You're being intentionally obtuse, shifting the goal posts. It doesn't matter what you claim to think the left is, the left absolutely is the establishment. And if you think there's no authoritarian wing of the left you're either blind or lying. Leftist states are absolutely authoritarian, from the UK jailing people for social media posts to China to extreme examples like NK, Cuba and Venezuela. > right also pushes t…

> There's been recent news pieces here about stuff like age verification that is firmly coming from the left. California and New York are blue states that implement age verification, but Texas, Alabama and Utah for example also implemented similar laws, it IS bipartisan. Its a pretty staggering how the right was able to brand themselves this way, the most ideologically authoritarian belief system and people think its…

> Its like you think the democratic party or the UK Labor party is ideologically aligned with China, North Korea, Cuba or Venezuela?

Why not show my whole sentence in context? Address what I actually wrote? Instead of just making shit up...

I think this is actually the worst bad-faith comment I've seen on the internet, and that's saying something...

Re: Wayland set the Linux Desktop back by 10 years?

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CS1, right? If so, can you please detail what you might have done differently?Load options? Some package or another I might be missing? All I know is that with Xorg it worked perfectly, I upgraded Fedora, and now that I only have Wayland, whatever I was doing before no longer works. I'd be grateful for the help.

The Steamdeck loads games into some kind of nested x11 renderer-in-a-window, I think. If for no other reason than to try to avoid Wayland’s extra input latency? Dunno. Maybe you lost some component it needs to work, if regular Steam also does that.

Regular steam does not do that. At this point on most hardware (minus SOME Nvidia, I think older stuff like 2XXX) you should have less latency in Wayland than x11.
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