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France's aircraft carrier located in real time by Le Monde through fitness app

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Re: France's aircraft carrier located in real time by Le Monde through fitness app

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Post by philipwhiuk »

PeterStuer wrote: post #185

Many questions: I can assume Strava is GDPR compliant and would not publish this information without the sailors concent? Does the French military not stress in their training the dangers of these data disclosures? Why does the carriers network not have adequate measures against this sort of data exfiltration? Why is Le Monde tracking a french sailors location data?

> I can assume Strava is GDPR compliant and would not publish this information without the sailors concent?

Historically there was a problem where user's data was aggregated into a global view. But these days you'd have to follow the user on Strava to get this sort of track.

I suspect that a journalist at Le Monde has a naval buddy on Strava and posted the story.

Re: France's aircraft carrier located in real time by Le Monde through fitness app

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Post by rozab »

All through this whole ghost fleet thing I've had this question as to how a large ship in the sea can possibly keep its movements secret. Large media organisations seem to be unable to say where large tankers have been if they turn their transponders off.

Don't we have constellations of satellites constantly imaging the entire earth, both with visual and synthetic aperture radar, with many offering their data freely to the public? Wouldn't a large ship on the ocean stick out somewhat? And yet journalists seem lost without vesselfinder. Is this harder than I'm imagining, or are they just not paying the right orgs for the info?

Re: France's aircraft carrier located in real time by Le Monde through fitness app

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Post by signatoremo »

rtkwe wrote: post #140
bpodgursky wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Iran, like most countries, does not a blue water navy with assets in the Mediterranean sea to perform realtime surveillance.

They had a handful of frigates mostly but those could go out as far as the Med pretty easily. One of their ships was sunk near Sri Lanka.

It was sunk there because it attended an on-off event in India before that. Iran's ships don't get on regular trips far from home.

Re: France's aircraft carrier located in real time by Le Monde through fitness app

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Post by torginus »

matkoniecz wrote: post #156
rtkwe wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Break out the pocket book and pay Planet Labs to do it. You could do it with much less frequent visits than this probably the search area for it every 2 hours isn't very large and image recognition systems are pretty good. The big threat is cloud cover. https://www.planet.com/pulse/12x-rapid-revisit-announcement/

What if US government bans US-based companies from selling pictures within area where carrier operates? (of all "national security" reasons these is one of more reasonable ones)

It would make tracking impossible, as no other country operates satellites.

Re: France's aircraft carrier located in real time by Le Monde through fitness app

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Post by guerrilla »

snickerbockers wrote: post #100
echoangle wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe stupid question but how would Iran do it? They don’t have any ships in the area and also don’t have any satellites that could take pictures, right? Or does getting told by Russia count?

America has intelligence-sharing agreements with allied nations wherein our satellites are taking photos on the allies' behalf of things that we might not otherwise be interested in. I'm sure China and Russia have similar arrangements with their allies.

Iran does with Russia. It's been in the news a lot lately. I have no doubt they do with China as well.

Re: France's aircraft carrier located in real time by Le Monde through fitness app

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Post by OneDeuxTriSeiGo »

filleduchaos wrote: post #130
chias wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What would you track them with? Follow them with helicopters and/or boats?

...literally yes (to the latter)? Is that not exactly why modern warships have to implement things like measures to reduce their radar cross section? If you could actually just rely on "ocean too big" then there would be no need for that.

It is in part for small crafts (frigates and corvettes) but for pretty much anything larger there's no concealing those ships.

The primary reason however for minimizing radar cross section and increasing radar scatter is to harden protections against radar based weapon systems during a conflict.

Even if the ship is still visible in peacetime operations, once electronic countermeasures/ECM are engaged, it gets an order of magnitude harder for guided missiles to still "see" the ship.

Depending on the kit, once missiles are in the air the ship and all of their friends in their strike group/squadron is going to start jamming radar, popping decoys, and trying to dazzle the missiles effectively enough for RIM-174/SM-6, RIM-66/SM-1, and RIM-67/SM-2s to intercept it without the missiles evading. And should the missile make it to close-in range then it's just praying that the phalanx/CIWS takes care of it.

And if everything fails then all that jamming and dazzling + the reduced radar cross section is going to hopefully result in the missiles being slightly off target/not a complete kill on the vessel.

So they still serve a purpose. Just not for stealth. Instead serving as compounding increases to survival odds in engagement scenarios.

Re: France's aircraft carrier located in real time by Le Monde through fitness app

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Post by kjkjadksj »

fiftyacorn wrote: post #110
elif wrote: post #77

I seriously doubt there is a country on earth which lacks the capability to detect an aircraft carrier's presence in the Mediterranean sea. We are not talking about stealth vehicles.

Yeah id be more impressed if he found a submarine using strava

How about secret bases?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jan/28/fitness-tracki...

Re: France's aircraft carrier located in real time by Le Monde through fitness app

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Post by yread »

helsinkiandrew wrote: post #139

Cruising speed of Charles de Gaulle is 27knots which would give the runner a pace of around 1:10mins/km depending on direction. That would really screw up your Strava stats

His pace was 4:38 over 7.2km and his track seems to backtrack at times so either the carrier was doing weird maneuvers or he is running faster than they are carrier.

I imagine they are in no rush to get closer to Lebanon. So maybe they are running in circles

Re: France's aircraft carrier located in real time by Le Monde through fitness app

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Post by cwillu »

FridayoLeary wrote: post #27
rcxdude wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the international community is demonstrating to the US that they can't drop their military support for their allies and also expect that they still help to clean up their messes.

I kind of understand that, although of course i completely disagree with their line of thinking. Iran is everyones problem and open conflict like this would have been hard to avoid down the road. Point is they had months to anticipate this latest conflict, why did they do absolutely nothing to mitigate this? Why was the UK apparently completely unprepared? Europe's economy is suffering, more then America. Why do we e…

The pan of oil on the stove is everyone's problem, but when the dumbass decides the way to deal with it is to pour water on it, it is now in everyone's interest to leave the area.

Re: France's aircraft carrier located in real time by Le Monde through fitness app

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Post by CGMthrowaway »

fiftyacorn wrote: post #110
elif wrote: post #77

I seriously doubt there is a country on earth which lacks the capability to detect an aircraft carrier's presence in the Mediterranean sea. We are not talking about stealth vehicles.

Yeah id be more impressed if he found a submarine using strava

Here you go: https://www.lemonde.fr/en/videos/article/2025/01/13/stravale...
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