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Oregon school cell phone ban: 'Engaged students, joyful teachers'

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Re: Oregon school cell phone ban: 'Engaged students, joyful teachers'

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Post by isk517 »

bawolff wrote: post #27
galleywest200 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Surely an electronic wrist watch is fine, and maybe an mp3 player. Also graphing calculators.

Do graphing calculators actually help people learn? We used them in high school, but when i needed to take calculus in university we didn't use them. I'm doubtful they are good for learning especially when trying to teach the foundations.

Back in the day the feature I liked most about my TI-82 was the amount of information that could fit on the display, the formatting options available, the ease of entering and editing what you entered, and the amount of past entered formulas that would be saved and how easy they were to retrieve. It made doing large blocks of basic BEDMAS math very quick and less suspectable to errors caused by accidentally hitting the wrong key entering in large formulas, and very easy to go back and find out where I messed up and quickly retabulate everything.

All of that mostly comes up in physics and chemistry were its about knowing what long formulas you need to plug the numbers you have available to you to find out what you need to know. Oddly enough their seems to be very little benefit to using a graphing calculator in a actual math class.

Re: Oregon school cell phone ban: 'Engaged students, joyful teachers'

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Post by eloisant »

dizzy9 wrote: post #43

> In crafting its policy, Estacada incorporated feedback from parents. That led to some key decisions around the cell phone ban. Rather than use pouches or lockers, students are allowed to keep their phones safely stored in their backpacks. That was for two reasons — it allows students to contact loved ones during emergencies, and many parents use phone trackers to keep tabs on their kids. I'm glad to hear this. They…

> it allows students to contact loved ones during emergencies, and many parents use phone trackers to keep tabs on their kids

That's such bullshit.

- There is no emergency that require students to contact anyone. Communication can go through the school

- Parents have no business tracking their kids when they're at school

Re: Oregon school cell phone ban: 'Engaged students, joyful teachers'

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Post by DANmode »

kimbernator wrote: post #126
dizzy9 wrote: post #43

> In crafting its policy, Estacada incorporated feedback from parents. That led to some key decisions around the cell phone ban. Rather than use pouches or lockers, students are allowed to keep their phones safely stored in their backpacks. That was for two reasons — it allows students to contact loved ones during emergencies, and many parents use phone trackers to keep tabs on their kids. I'm glad to hear this. They…

>Students can be trusted to obey a simple "no phones in class" rule. I'm honestly not educated on the topic right now since I haven't been in school for 15 years and have some time left before my daughter starts, but is this rule really not in place in most schools? How could any school justify not having this rule at the very least, regardless of how well-enforced it is? I always assumed it was a lack of enforcement…

It’s a lack of enforcement due to unruly, unparented children,

in most regions’ school districts.

Re: Oregon school cell phone ban: 'Engaged students, joyful teachers'

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Post by briffle »

its a blanket rule, which has almost no exceptions. So there are some silly parts. One of my kids is in band and the school uses YONDER pouches. They have had to dig out some really, really old analog tuners to use. They have a fraction of the capability of a $4 IOS app, but the kids are supposed to keep their phones in a special sleeve with no exceptions... (so many kids break that rule, or throw an old dummy phone in the pouch)

Re: Oregon school cell phone ban: 'Engaged students, joyful teachers'

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Post by briffle »

dizzy9 wrote: post #43

> In crafting its policy, Estacada incorporated feedback from parents. That led to some key decisions around the cell phone ban. Rather than use pouches or lockers, students are allowed to keep their phones safely stored in their backpacks. That was for two reasons — it allows students to contact loved ones during emergencies, and many parents use phone trackers to keep tabs on their kids. I'm glad to hear this. They…

Kids are smart. My school district has sealed pouches.. Its amazing how many kids throw an old phone in there, and put their actual one away hidden on silent.

Which I guess gets looked the other way, since they aren't using it in class.

Re: Oregon school cell phone ban: 'Engaged students, joyful teachers'

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Post by 50208 »

briffle wrote: post #134

its a blanket rule, which has almost no exceptions. So there are some silly parts. One of my kids is in band and the school uses YONDER pouches. They have had to dig out some really, really old analog tuners to use. They have a fraction of the capability of a $4 IOS app, but the kids are supposed to keep their phones in a special sleeve with no exceptions... (so many kids break that rule, or throw an old dummy phone…

Good ... do it the old way ... I support the blanket ban, wish it would go further. It's a good start.

Re: Oregon school cell phone ban: 'Engaged students, joyful teachers'

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Post by bdangubic »

technothrasher wrote: post #23

My son, who recently graduated high school, went to a school that banned phones but insisted on laptops (providing them for the kids who couldn't afford one). He said it was ridiculous, as none of the kids had any problem using their laptop for anything they would have used the phone, which was mostly texting, scrolling social media, watching videos, and playing games. Even when the school tried to lock down services…

they brought laptops to cafeteria? outside? the core issue is usage of phones outside of the class, no? if he used it during the class, cool (we all gad boring teachers). if he was able to use it after the bell rang that is not having a ban

Re: Oregon school cell phone ban: 'Engaged students, joyful teachers'

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Post by eloisant »

coffeefirst wrote: post #22
superkuh wrote: post #2

It's crazy to me that cell phones, and especially smart phones, were ever allowed in the classroom during class.

I suspect it was sneaky. The old Nokia in school wasn't a problem. You get in trouble for playing snake. The iphone 1 wasn't really a problem. There weren't that many, and it served as a calendar. But year after year, release after release, the industry deliberately loaded more and more addictive machinery, pushed more and more boundaries, until it's beyond unacceptable. As an aside, it's amazing how hard it is to tu…

Interestingly dumb phones are making a comeback.

They disappeared for a few years, but now you can buy a dumb phone, for example running KaiOS, that charges with USB-C and supports modern cell networks. You can even get a Nokia!

There is absolutely no need to buy a smartphone to any kid younger than 15. Now for high school students it's a bit different, they should be old enough to have self control and respect rules to keep their phones in their bags during class.

Re: Oregon school cell phone ban: 'Engaged students, joyful teachers'

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Post by eloisant »

svachalek wrote: post #48
coffeefirst wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suspect it was sneaky. The old Nokia in school wasn't a problem. You get in trouble for playing snake. The iphone 1 wasn't really a problem. There weren't that many, and it served as a calendar. But year after year, release after release, the industry deliberately loaded more and more addictive machinery, pushed more and more boundaries, until it's beyond unacceptable. As an aside, it's amazing how hard it is to tu…

Completely. I'm a software engineer that has a better shot at this than just about anybody, and I have no idea how to give a child a phone that's not just digital crack. If you think ScreenTime etc will do the job you probably have no idea what's actually happening on your child's phone.

You can buy a dumbphone. For example a Nokia 3210 4G.
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