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Post by jl6 »

boca_honey wrote: post #286
cthalupa wrote: post #278

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What part about Chuck was a great role model for real men? The homophobia? The racism? The infidelity? The conspiracy theories? Or just because he was a martial artist and actor that had a bunch of low effort memes?

Just out of curiosity, could you (or anyone else) give a couple of examples of what you would consider "great role models for real men"? Or "good role models for well-adapted men", if you'd rather use less inflammatory language.

Ironically, the very concept of a “real man” is founded on the idea that a man should be defined by stereotypes rather than by sex, which puts manosphere enthusiasts and gender enthusiasts in closer epistemological proximity than either would care to admit.

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Post by chirau »

MBCook wrote: post #70
willio58 wrote: post #31

There was a period of like 2 years when I was a kid where chuck Norris jokes were all the rage on the playground and I made an iPhone app that listed them all. Jokes like “Chuck Norris is able to slam a revolving door.” Anyway, I “built” this stupid app when I was like 13, copy-pasted like 300 jokes in there and a random one would show every time you tapped the screen. Chuck Norris’s estate blocked the app from going…

It was so funny how that whole thing happened. For the first time in over a decade he was suddenly relevant in a way. People remembered he existed, and they were playing off his tough guy image. And what did he do? Try and shut it down and start suing people. Stupid. It took him a couple of years to come around to it. If it wasn’t for those jokes would he be remembered anywhere as well? Or would he be a much more obs…

Chuck Norris was and is still an international sensation. Chuck Norris is right up there with Arnold Schwarzenegger and Jean Claude Van Damme.

His round kick, Walker Texas Ranger and his fight with Bruce Lee. In Africa, to this day, some TV channels still play his stuff.

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Post by encom »

SilverElfin wrote: post #51
lich_king wrote: post #47

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> He had some pretty awful views that he was pretty loud about, especially later in life. He also cheated on his wife at one point. In 1961, in his early 20s. You get ~80 years on this planet to make mistakes and have views that some other people will dislike. If these are the worst things we can accuse him of, while acknowledging all his charitable work, I'd say he fared OK compared to many other role models we have…

Apparently much more recently too: https://www.thepinknews.com/2021/01/13/chuck-norris-homophob... Turns out he was a MAGA Christian homophobe. That’s … disappointing. But I guess I was naive to expect something different.

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Post by crims0n »

cthalupa wrote: post #272
crims0n wrote: post #165

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Remember the good ol' days when people just didn't discuss politics or religion out of decency? There was a reason for that, both bring out the worst in people.

The problem is that living life is inherently political. Being able to ignore politics, not having to feel the need to discuss them, is a sign that you are inherently better off than a good chunk of this country. A lot of people spend most of their waking hours having to deal with or at least keep in mind the fall out from regressive politics. Asking people to not discuss politics is like asking someone living in fea…

I agree with the sentiment. My point was more people used to have a common understanding that there was a time and place for political (and religious) discussion - and that those beliefs were deeply personal, shaped largely by experience, and not meant to be held against one another in the broader judgement of their character.

Somewhere along the way we lost that idea, not all cultural changes are for the better.

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Post by boca_honey »

jl6 wrote: post #311
boca_honey wrote: post #286

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just out of curiosity, could you (or anyone else) give a couple of examples of what you would consider "great role models for real men"? Or "good role models for well-adapted men", if you'd rather use less inflammatory language.

Ironically, the very concept of a “real man” is founded on the idea that a man should be defined by stereotypes rather than by sex, which puts manosphere enthusiasts and gender enthusiasts in closer epistemological proximity than either would care to admit.

I saw this coming, that's why I made this point, which you ignored:

> Could you give a couple of examples of what you would consider > "good role models for well-adapted men" ?

I'm actually curious.

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Post by gassi »

boca_honey wrote: post #286
cthalupa wrote: post #278

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What part about Chuck was a great role model for real men? The homophobia? The racism? The infidelity? The conspiracy theories? Or just because he was a martial artist and actor that had a bunch of low effort memes?

Just out of curiosity, could you (or anyone else) give a couple of examples of what you would consider "great role models for real men"? Or "good role models for well-adapted men", if you'd rather use less inflammatory language.

Fred Rogers, Terry Crews, Lin Manuel Miranda, Henry Cavill, John Cena, Steve Irwin and Dave Grohl to name a few.

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Post by Dibes »

boca_honey wrote: post #267
ErroneousBosh wrote: post #225

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> You say "openly MAGA" as if it were a crime or something to be ashamed of Can you explain why it's not something to be ashamed of?

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Those points are fine, but not the root of what makes MAGA shameful. You can go about having that opinion and take actions towards it without being racist, anti-LGBT, generally hateful, and backing an administration that has been proven time and time again to be deceitful in every facet and tuned to the interest of the wealthiest.

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Post by Applejinx »

ryandrake wrote: post #231
saintfire wrote: post #210

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Is it revelatory that human beings having a quality you admire aren't the ideal person you projected them to be? I'd reckon you'd be hard pressed to find a single person that matches every quality/belief you imagined them to have.

I don’t think this is about nit picking some small detail that causes them to fail a quality/belief checklist. It’s not like finding out your hero picks his nose or doesn’t like chocolate ice cream. When someone goes mask-off as MAGA, they are revealing fundamental core beliefs and values that totally flip the kind of person you might have thought they were. I have friends and family who I never thought had a hateful…

It's an object lesson on how certain historical things happened. We go, oh no how could those people have all been inhuman monsters? If only we understood what made them like that.

And the monkey's paw curls…

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Post by SetTheorist »

vdqtp3 wrote: post #295
frogperson wrote: post #288

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You have a very narrow and rose colored view of what maga is. To us living in the US, maga stands for pedophilia, misogyny, racism, fascism, homophobia, transphobia, corroption and much more. It absolutely has nothing to do with putting america first, it has everything to do with putting trump first. Im afraid you have made the mistake of listening to a politicians words instead of watching his actions. Every word fr…

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That's absolutely what it stands for. To see this you need only listen to what they say and observe what they do.
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