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France's aircraft carrier located in real time by Le Monde through fitness app

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Re: France's aircraft carrier located in real time by Le Monde through fitness app

#101
It's been a problem for nearly 2 decades.

Think about it: suddenly, in the middle of the desert in Afghanistan/Iraq/Syria/Niger/Djibouti a bunch of people start using a fitness tracker every morning (and the clusters show up in Strava). Did some village suddenly jump on the "get fit" bandwagon? Or could it be a bunch of US Marines/SpecOps/etc people trying to keep fit.

Re: France's aircraft carrier located in real time by Le Monde through fitness app

#102
Seems we need a new digital category for Darwin Awards.

This is the modern way to die of stupidity — use your fitness watch app to log your miles on an online app instead of locally — so reveal your operational location.

The US had one of its secret bases in Afghanistan fully mapped for anyone to see by its residents logging their on-base runs.

Now, the French aircraft carrier is pinpointed en route to a war zone.

Yes OPSEC is hard, and they should be trained to not do this, but it seems to be getting ridiculous. If I were in command of such units, I'd certainly be calling for packet inspection and a large blacklist restriction of apps like that (and the research to back it up).

Local first is not just a cute quirk of geeks, it is a serious requirement.

Re: France's aircraft carrier located in real time by Le Monde through fitness app

#103
post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Even Russia and Ukraine doesn't bomb third party countries in war just for supporting the other side, that is a crazy stupid thing to do and any country behaving like that should never ever have nukes. To the extent this might be true, it seems like it would be even more true of the two countries that unprovokedly bombed a third party country to start the war in the first place.

> two countries that unprovokedly It isn't unprovoked, Iran current regime has chanted "Death to America" since its founding. USA has plenty of reasons to attack here which is why you don't see more international outcry or support for Iran. Iran are on their own.

Seems the US and israel have been at least as unfriendly recently.

In any case, somebody chanting a thing isn't causus belli, nor is publicly wanting someone to die.

> why you don't see more international outcry or support for Iran

What you don't see is international support for the USA or israel's war on Iran, hence why the strait of hormuz is effectively closed right now.

Re: France's aircraft carrier located in real time by Le Monde through fitness app

#104
post #81

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It's pretty hard to hide it from anything . Its surface is ~17000 m² (a tennis court is ~260 m²), and is 75 m high (~ 25 floors building - probably half of it under water, but still). And that's a mid-sized carrier according to Wikipedia. It's not built for hiding at all, that's what submarines are for (and that's where our nukes are).

But the ocean is very very huge to find it still.

You don't have to search the entire planet. A carrier's general location is always semi-public. There are websites dedicated to tracking them, just like jets. And carriers roll with an entire strike group of 8-10 ships and 5-10K personnel, which are together impossible to miss.

A carrier strike group isn't meant to be stealthy. Quite the opposite. It is the ultimate tool for power projection and making a statement. If it is moving to a new region it will do so with horns blaring.

Obviously troops shouldn't be broadcasting their location regardless, but this particular leak isn't as impactful as the news is making it out to be.

Re: France's aircraft carrier located in real time by Le Monde through fitness app

#105
post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with Ukraine, but only when it comes to the first two or so years of the war, by now most of those that didn’t respect those rules (I’m talking both sides) are either dead or missing some limbs. With that told, just recently the Russian MOD has started applying heavy penalties to its soldiers close to the frontlines who were still using Telegram and/or the Ukrainian mobile network (?!), so it looks like there…

It's also a morale issue. It's easier to get people to huddle in a cold and damp hole if they can play video games and watch anime.

anime?

Re: France's aircraft carrier located in real time by Le Monde through fitness app

#106
post #89

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Mediterranean maybe (although I'm not sure), but it's actually very hard to find a ship, even as large as an aircraft carrier, in the ocean. The empty space is just too big. Satellites have hard time taking pictures of every square mile of a sea to find any ship, yet alone the one you need.

You would only need to find it once, potentially at a port, and then you can follow it.

This capability is available only to few countries on planet.

Not all of them.

Re: France's aircraft carrier located in real time by Le Monde through fitness app

#107
post #99

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Maybe stupid question but how would Iran do it? They don’t have any ships in the area and also don’t have any satellites that could take pictures, right? Or does getting told by Russia count?

I bet you could do it with a big enough expense account with Planet Labs and the compute power to process the images these days. Track it forwards from the last public port of call or *INT leak like this strava data. 3.7m accuracy seems like enough to do it. It's not enough to target it directly but it would be enough to get more capable assets into the right area a la the interception of Japan's ships when they atta…

Iran, like most countries, does not a blue water navy with assets in the Mediterranean sea to perform realtime surveillance.

Re: France's aircraft carrier located in real time by Le Monde through fitness app

#108

This is a common problem across militaries. It is difficult to stop soldiers from leaking their location if they have access to mobile phones and the Internet. Individual cases are usually a combination of naïveté, ignorance, and an unwillingness to be inconvenienced. It still happens in Ukraine, where immediate risk to life and limb is much more severe than this case.

There was fitness tracker that posted locations without user names.

Well, wouldn't you know, in Iraq there were all these square paths on the map. Yes, it was Americans jogging just inside the perimeter of small bases.

Just like with the aircraft carrier, these bases were not secret but it shows how locations can leak unexpectedly.

Re: France's aircraft carrier located in real time by Le Monde through fitness app

#109
post #77

I seriously doubt there is a country on earth which lacks the capability to detect an aircraft carrier's presence in the Mediterranean sea. We are not talking about stealth vehicles.

If Charles de Gaulle turns off AIS, how does North Korea find it?

Re: France's aircraft carrier located in real time by Le Monde through fitness app

#110
post #77

I seriously doubt there is a country on earth which lacks the capability to detect an aircraft carrier's presence in the Mediterranean sea. We are not talking about stealth vehicles.

Yeah id be more impressed if he found a submarine using strava
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