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VisiCalc Reconstructed

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Re: VisiCalc Reconstructed

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Are there good command-line interfaces for spreadsheets? I don't do anything super financially-important and I'd prefer to stay in the terminal for quick editing of things, especially if I can have Vi keybindings.

Re: VisiCalc Reconstructed

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Quote:

  #define MAXIN 128  // max cell input length
  enum { EMPTY, NUM, LABEL, FORMULA };  // cell types
  struct cell {
    int type;
    float val;
    char text[MAXIN];  // raw user input
  };
  #define NCOL 26    // max number of columns (A..Z)
  #define NROW 50    // max number of rows
  struct grid {
    struct cell cells[NCOL][NROW];
  };
I doubt that 171 KB of static allocation would fly on an Apple II! I do wonder how they did memory allocation, it must have been tricky with all the fragmentation.

Re: VisiCalc Reconstructed

#4

Are there good command-line interfaces for spreadsheets? I don't do anything super financially-important and I'd prefer to stay in the terminal for quick editing of things, especially if I can have Vi keybindings.

I actually created one for some time ago. It's nothing special but it has Vi keybindings.

https://github.com/RauliL/levite

Re: VisiCalc Reconstructed

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post #4

Are there good command-line interfaces for spreadsheets? I don't do anything super financially-important and I'd prefer to stay in the terminal for quick editing of things, especially if I can have Vi keybindings.

I actually created one for some time ago. It's nothing special but it has Vi keybindings. https://github.com/RauliL/levite

This is brilliant! Thank you for creating it

Re: VisiCalc Reconstructed

#6
Kinda cool to see... TBH, I'd be more inclined to reach for Rust and Ratatui myslf over C + ncurses. I know this would likely be a much larger executable though.

With MS Edit resurrected similarly, I wonder how hard it would be to get a flushed out text based spreadsheet closer in function to MS Excel or Lotus 123 versions for DOS, but cross platform. Maybe even able to load/save a few different formats from CSV/TSV to XLSX (without OLE/COM embeds).

Re: VisiCalc Reconstructed

#7

Are there good command-line interfaces for spreadsheets? I don't do anything super financially-important and I'd prefer to stay in the terminal for quick editing of things, especially if I can have Vi keybindings.

Emacs with org-mode and evil-mode seems to be up your alley.

Re: VisiCalc Reconstructed

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Are there good command-line interfaces for spreadsheets? I don't do anything super financially-important and I'd prefer to stay in the terminal for quick editing of things, especially if I can have Vi keybindings.

There is SC and now sc-im: https://github.com/andmarti1424/sc-im

You can also literally run Lotus 123 if you want. Someone has binaries to make it work on linux. or under dosemu

Re: VisiCalc Reconstructed

#9
post #3

Quote: #define MAXIN 128 // max cell input length enum { EMPTY, NUM, LABEL, FORMULA }; // cell types struct cell { int type; float val; char text[MAXIN]; // raw user input }; #define NCOL 26 // max number of columns (A..Z) #define NROW 50 // max number of rows struct grid { struct cell cells[NCOL][NROW]; }; I doubt that 171 KB of static allocation would fly on an Apple II! I do wonder how they did memory allocation,…

According to Bob Frankston, Bricklin's co-founder[1]:

> The basic approach was to allocate memory into fixed chunks so that we wouldn't have a problem with the kind of breakage that occurs with irregular allocation. Deallocating a cell freed up 100% of its storage. Thus a given spreadsheet would take up the same amount of space no matter how it was created. I presumed that the spreadsheet would normally be compact and in the upper left (low number rows and cells) so used a vector of rows vectors. The chunks were also called cells so I had to be careful about terminology to avoid confusion. Internally the term "cell" always meant storage cell. These cells were allocated from one direction and the vectors from the other. When they collided the program reorganized the storage. It had to do this in place since there was no room left at that point -- after all that's why we had to do the reorganization.

> The actual representation was variable length with each element prefixed by a varying length type indicator. In order to avoid having most code parse the formula the last by was marked $ff (or 0xff in today's representation). It turned out that valid cell references at the edges of the sheet looked like this and created some interesting bugs.

It leaves out a lot of details - if you're skimping enough you could allocate variable length row vectors, but it seems they wanted to avoid variable length allocations, in which case you could start with a 255 byte array pointing to which subsequent equal-sized chunk represents each in-use row. You'd need at most 126 bytes per row in actual use to point into the chunks representing the cell contents. But this is just guesses.

[1] https://www.landley.net/history/mirror/apple2/implementingvi... and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34303825

Re: VisiCalc Reconstructed

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Are there good command-line interfaces for spreadsheets? I don't do anything super financially-important and I'd prefer to stay in the terminal for quick editing of things, especially if I can have Vi keybindings.

sc has been around for quite a while: https://github.com/robrohan/sc there are several versions floating around.
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