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The Reason Windows Hate Is Exploding: It's the End of Personal Computing [video]

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Re: The Reason Windows Hate Is Exploding: It's the End of Personal Computing [video]

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Post by rawgabbit »

WarmWash wrote: post #58
askonomm wrote: post #2

Pretty sure it's just that Windows is horribly broken, privacy-invading, ad-ridden malware disguised as an operating system. I swear it seems like nobody at Microsoft not even once have asked the actual users for what they would like to see in the OS.

Users want a one time payment of $150, for a 50 million LoC software product, and then get 10 years of support. Everyone here slinging mud, while getting paid out of the SaaS pot. Would windows be a better product if it was user focused but cost $40/mo? From Microsoft's POV it would probably kill numbers.

Two wrongs don’t make a right. What matters is being upfront and transparent. Microsoft could just have said the initial license is just that. If you want updates be prepared to pay.

Re: The Reason Windows Hate Is Exploding: It's the End of Personal Computing [video]

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Post by subscribed »

simulacrum wrote: post #23
mancerayder wrote: post #14

When is gaming on the latest hardware going to be mature enough to move off this garbage operating system? Can I play Kingdom Come II on Mint now? If not, are we moving there?

Bro, I played KCD2 on Ubuntu the day it launched last year. The games themselves are basically a solved problem and have been for a while now . Multiplayer games with anti cheat are the sticking point now, with only a little bit of progress there. - work is still ongoing to get performance of direct x 12 games on NVIDIA closer to that of windows.

Nvidia is indeed what holds me back. If not for that id be much happier (even though I'll end up with Wayland/KDE, with its quite revolting quirks)

Re: The Reason Windows Hate Is Exploding: It's the End of Personal Computing [video]

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Post by jinushaun »

mancerayder wrote: post #13
askonomm wrote: post #2

Pretty sure it's just that Windows is horribly broken, privacy-invading, ad-ridden malware disguised as an operating system. I swear it seems like nobody at Microsoft not even once have asked the actual users for what they would like to see in the OS.

The video takes this one step further, and it has nothing to do with being 'out of touch' or something. The speaker is arguing there is a macro trend of pushing us towards agentic interactions instead of the UI components we're used to. Then it can track, tune and control everything we do, thanks to all the telemetry back and forth. I wish people would engage with the content a bit. It's a huge claim (and scary).

No, Windows was broken before AI

Re: The Reason Windows Hate Is Exploding: It's the End of Personal Computing [video]

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Post by dpark »

rbanffy wrote: post #30
intrasight wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1. There are plenty of computers sold with Linux installed. 2. You absolutely should build the computer yourself. You get a much better computer with best of class parts. And you learn something.

> 1. There are plenty of computers sold with Linux installed. Compared to what?

Compared to a hypothetical world without computers with Linux preinstalled, presumably.

“Plenty” doesn’t really seem like a relative term here, but a statement that there are enough options on the market if someone wants to buy a machine with Linux preinstalled.

Re: The Reason Windows Hate Is Exploding: It's the End of Personal Computing [video]

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Post by rurp »

swed420 wrote: post #75
mancerayder wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The video takes this one step further, and it has nothing to do with being 'out of touch' or something. The speaker is arguing there is a macro trend of pushing us towards agentic interactions instead of the UI components we're used to. Then it can track, tune and control everything we do, thanks to all the telemetry back and forth. I wish people would engage with the content a bit. It's a huge claim (and scary).

> The speaker is arguing there is a macro trend of pushing us towards agentic interactions instead of the UI components we're used to. This trend is not even limited to Windows. We saw it begin years ago with Google etc gradually reducing the quality of search results. Then ChatGPT etc arrive shortly thereafter, and people are led to conclude "it works so much better than traditional search." Hard to believe these tw…

I don't know, I think a simpler explanation for Google's behavior is that monopolies act like monopolies. Combating spam and SEO junk is hard and expensive. Once they became synonymous with web search for most people they gradually cared less and less about product quality. If people will keep using the product no matter how bad the results get and how many ads get jammed in it's hard for a corporation like that to care.

Re: The Reason Windows Hate Is Exploding: It's the End of Personal Computing [video]

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Post by neonstatic »

rbanffy wrote: post #46
neonstatic wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They are the ones that make Windows be the default operating system on everyone's computers I've got to disagree. Macs are a fantastic option as long as the software needed to do actual work is available. That's the real bottleneck and it's not something Dell, Lenovo, or HP have any power over.

They still ship a lot more computers than Apple. For most of the world, Apple is a niche product. I use it, and I love them, but let's not fool ourselves into thinking corporations will start buying Mac Minis to replace their desktops and thin clients anytime soon.

I am not fooling myself and I do not care what corporations would or would not do - I simply state that the reason there is such a pressure to use Windows is not due to Dell and other providers, but software providers - mainly Microsoft.

Re: The Reason Windows Hate Is Exploding: It's the End of Personal Computing [video]

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Post by neonstatic »

Sharlin wrote: post #49
neonstatic wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They are the ones that make Windows be the default operating system on everyone's computers I've got to disagree. Macs are a fantastic option as long as the software needed to do actual work is available. That's the real bottleneck and it's not something Dell, Lenovo, or HP have any power over.

That… does not follow. Corporations simply aren't going to start buying Macs for all of their millions of rank-and-file corporate drones. Even if they wanted, and they don't, they're tied to the Windows ecosystem in all sorts of ways, even though the software lives on someone else's computer these days.

Thanks for saying the same thing I have said? Do people even read before they post? Seems like the moment Apple is mentioned some folks just turn on a downvote + disagree autopilot, even when they agree?

Re: The Reason Windows Hate Is Exploding: It's the End of Personal Computing [video]

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Post by snielson »

pathartl wrote: post #80

I still don't understand all of the hate. In my eyes Windows has never been more capable and stable. - Windows Terminal is actually pretty dang good - There's actually a package manager built in now with WinGet - Hyper-V comes with pro and is incredibly powerful - While WSL2 isn't great at times, it does fill in a lot of gaps and working with Docker is pretty seamless - Ever since Windows Defender became standard, cl…

Yeah, I really like Windows 11. I'm not a developer; just an ordinary user. I guess the difference is that I fully embrace the MS ecosystem—i.e., OneDrive, M365 Family account (the storage alone is worth the cost), Power Toys, Edge (sync'd across computers), etc. It works great.

The only problem I’ve had was with a family member who refused to restart the computer. Eventually, something got corrupted. Fixing it was simple—I just reinstalled the current version of Windows. It was so much easier than in the past, when it meant reinstalling everything from scratch or reverting to a saved snapshot.

Re: The Reason Windows Hate Is Exploding: It's the End of Personal Computing [video]

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Post by swed420 »

rurp wrote: post #85
swed420 wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The speaker is arguing there is a macro trend of pushing us towards agentic interactions instead of the UI components we're used to. This trend is not even limited to Windows. We saw it begin years ago with Google etc gradually reducing the quality of search results. Then ChatGPT etc arrive shortly thereafter, and people are led to conclude "it works so much better than traditional search." Hard to believe these tw…

I don't know, I think a simpler explanation for Google's behavior is that monopolies act like monopolies. Combating spam and SEO junk is hard and expensive. Once they became synonymous with web search for most people they gradually cared less and less about product quality. If people will keep using the product no matter how bad the results get and how many ads get jammed in it's hard for a corporation like that to c…

Possibly, but it makes more sense when viewed through the lens of "Google is an advertising company" rather than a search company.

Also, it's not like Google went on autopilot and pursued nothing in recent years. Clearly they've dedicated resources to AI, so it's not hard to believe they foresaw potential resistance to selling the concept of AI to users and took measures to funnel them into the behavior Google desired, all the while making it appear as a choice the user was making.

Google famously solved the search problem and the spam problem, and technology has only gotten more capable since then. Suggesting that blogspam etc are too difficult to defeat is a tough sell imo.

Re: The Reason Windows Hate Is Exploding: It's the End of Personal Computing [video]

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Post by orev »

rbanffy wrote: post #29
askonomm wrote: post #2

Pretty sure it's just that Windows is horribly broken, privacy-invading, ad-ridden malware disguised as an operating system. I swear it seems like nobody at Microsoft not even once have asked the actual users for what they would like to see in the OS.

Microsoft has a handful big clients - Dell, Lenovo, HP being the top three. They are the ones that make Windows be the default operating system on everyone's computers and they need to be happy, not the person who buys the computer. When the computer becomes unusable, they'll just get another from the same brands and everyone, except the user, are happy. Corporations don't run Windows. They run Outlook, Excel, and Te…

Corpos definitely run Windows. There are many highly technical people and advanced software that need Windows. Not every company employee is just a pencil pusher or bean counter.

This myopia in tech is so baffling to me. Windows has been around over 40 years and tech people still act like it will go away “any day now” just because they don’t like it.

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