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4Chan mocks £520k fine for UK online safety breaches

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Re: 4Chan mocks £520k fine for UK online safety breaches

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Post by quesera »

OJFord wrote: post #166
dijit wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They’re not breaking any law. Laws apply to actions in the country, they’re not based on citizenship. If you go to Amsterdam and sleep with a hooker, you didn’t break a law by doing that: despite prostitution (specifically purchasing sex) being illegal in many western countries.

Commonwealth countries have extraterritorial jurisdiction. I don't know that it's ever been enforced for something so relatively petty as intoxication or prostitution, but it is nevertheless the law. (Obligatory IANAL though.)

> Commonwealth countries have extraterritorial jurisdiction

No countries have extraterritorial jurisdiction.

Some countries have a lot of influence over the local jurisdiction outside of their own territory.

The UK doesn't have much influence like that.

But if the UK has any minesweepers, I bet this could all be sorted out with a few phone calls.

Re: 4Chan mocks £520k fine for UK online safety breaches

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Post by windowliker »

DroneBetter wrote: post #41

> Last month Pornhub restricted access to its website in the UK, blaming the introduction of stricter age checks, and said its traffic had fallen by 77%. assumedly the rate of consumption hasn't dramatically changed, so the OSA's immediate result has been either the decentralisation of porn providers (towards those small enough to dodge the law for now and be less exacting) or the mass adoption of proxies; I assume t…

Sadly what has actually happened is that many niche interest discussion forums have shut their doors due to fears of regulatory repercussion and fines.

Re: 4Chan mocks £520k fine for UK online safety breaches

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Post by badc0ffee »

bargainbin wrote: post #319
diego_sandoval wrote: post #229

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I think anyone running a website should avoid visiting the UK from now on.

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> We’re not a police state like the US, there’ll be no action unless there is irrefutable proof, of which they’ll have none and can acquire none unless the person readily admits it.

Are you talking about the same UK where people get harassed by the police for https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-crime_hate_incident ?

Re: 4Chan mocks £520k fine for UK online safety breaches

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Post by n3t »

throwawaytea wrote: post #259
diego_sandoval wrote: post #229

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I think anyone running a website should avoid visiting the UK from now on.

A gf asked to go on a trip to England/Ireland and I told her I will go to Brazil or Colombia before I go to the UK. Im not going to risk getting in trouble because I made a post online or discussed immigration or trans people in the wrong way according to them.

Ireland, in contrast to Northern Ireland, is not part of the UK.

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Post by sva_ »

specproc wrote: post #269
throwawaytea wrote: post #259

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A gf asked to go on a trip to England/Ireland and I told her I will go to Brazil or Colombia before I go to the UK. Im not going to risk getting in trouble because I made a post online or discussed immigration or trans people in the wrong way according to them.

No chance I'd go to America, as they definitely check that sort of thing at the border now. Not sure how often that happens coming to the UK, yet.

I just went there as German and it actually went really smooth. They just asked me why I'm visiting and I said to visit a friend/tourism, took less than 2 minutes. So I think this is FUD

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Post by badc0ffee »

15155 wrote: post #271
markdown wrote: post #267

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The U.S. asserts the right to prosecute anyone, anywhere, who provides material support to any group they label as a terrorist organization. Not only is this enforceable, it has been enforced, and people have been assassinated without charge for this crime.

It helps when you spend trillions annually on your military. Might makes right.

The US isn't spending trillions/year on the military, at least not yet. It might crack 1 trillion in the near future.

Re: 4Chan mocks £520k fine for UK online safety breaches

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Post by windowliker »

guelo wrote: post #43

There's always people that say it's the parents responsibility to monitor their kids. But as a parent, you either give your kids full access to the internet or nothing. The fault lies with the OS companies Google, Microsoft, Apple. They do a terrible job with parental controls. They make it very hard to setup, they're confusing and hard to use plus they barely work. I think they just do it as a checkbox for marketing…

Ironically, the UK already has ISP level implementations to filter adult/illegal content that seem to work in most cases as intended. The lobby for this legislation came from groups concerned about matters more prevalent on large social media platforms who will barely be touched by the new regulations.

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Post by epolanski »

dmitrygr wrote: post #340
epolanski wrote: post #270

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Which will ultimately push alienation towards US for good. Trump is merely a huge accelerator of an existing trend.

People keep saying this and it a profound misunderstanding of how the world works. Nobody likes USA. Nor is that required. It is irrelevant. International politics do not run on emotions. As long as USA is capable of enforcing its will, USA's view will be the one that matters. You may dislike it, but that is what it is.

Or one can say enough and decide to cut off doing business in or with US.

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Post by ribosometronome »

dgroshev wrote: post #378
observationist wrote: post #318

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Not so slowly. They've gone from a more or less respectable smaller country to more or less politically, culturally, and economically irrelevant in less than 10 years. I even question whether it's rational to allow them to have nukes; they should probably be required to give them up to some country that has a shot at remaining a stable and predictable geopolitical entity over the next century.

This is an entirely delusional twitter-brain take. Despite its problems, the UK is still a sixth largest economy, a cultural powerhouse (how many Hollywood actors are British?), with a lot of soft power, a capable and currently renewed nuclear arsenal (Astraea and Dreadnought are on track), a globe-spanning network of alliances (from AUKUS to Japan deploying to the UK first time in their history to being one of the c…

>Despite its problems, the UK is still a sixth largest economy, ... Going from a shining city on a hill to a place where public executions by state backed paramilitaries are just another partisan talking point, that starts Special Military Operations with no plan or goal, that threatens to annex territory of its allies in about a year is an achievement.

Why would you use the economy to defend the UK's status and then point to a bunch of non economy stuff to try to knock the US? The US is the largest and has been for awhile. Isn't that what mattered to you? Plus, pointing out that a bunch of prominent UK residents leave to participate in US industry hardly seems a point in favor of how well the UK is doing.

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Post by dgroshev »

magospietato wrote: post #361
urbandw311er wrote: post #354

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It’s kind of sad to read your arrogant and xenophobic rantings. I’m not sure you’re really down for the sort of inclusive and open minded discussion that normally takes place here.

Living here the decline is tangible. And this is West Oxfordshire; not one of the poorer parts of the country. An example in microcosm: a local village suffered road flooding due to failed maintenance of water pipes. Our rent-seeking privatized water company effected the minimum repair required by regulation. The next section of old pipe burst almost immediately, flooding the road further for most of January, utterly…

We need to recognise the difference between the GP rant and what you're describing. The austerity is undeniably still reverberating through the country. It will take years for this ship to turn around, although it is being turned around. For example, in just about a month we're getting European-style rents with the Renter's Rights Act, which is transformational. We can and should do better, and everyone can contribute to solving those issues, but after a decade of nothing the necessary changes are finally being implemented.

But the rant is entirely counterfactual. Britain is a very rich country with beautiful and recovering nature, a healthy and educated population, one of the more capable armies in Europe, a functioning deterrent, and a relatively healthy political system. We just got two new parties becoming credible threats to the "main" two (regardless of the parties' views, the political competition itself is a much healthier situation than the American duopoly)! We just abolished hereditary peers, which is a constitutional change (and it can just be done)! Below the everyday media noise, we're doing alright as a democracy.

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