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Google details new 24-hour process to sideload unverified Android apps

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Re: Google details new 24-hour process to sideload unverified Android apps

#311

The part in the flow where you select between allowing app installs for 7 days or forever is a glimpse into the future. That toggle shows the thought process that's going on at Google. I can bet that a few versions down the line, the "Not recommended" option of allowing installs indefinitely will become so not recommended that they'll remove it outright. Then shrink the 7 day window to 3 days or less. Or only give us…

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Re: Google details new 24-hour process to sideload unverified Android apps

#312
24H forced wait time?!? WTF

When I side-load open-source apps for other people, I want to do it right in the moment, not activate the feature, and the next time I see them (like half a year later), install the app.

When Google announced there would be an alternative installation method, I did not expect such a mess...

Re: Google details new 24-hour process to sideload unverified Android apps

#313

Welp, I guess my current Android phone will be my last one. At least half of the apps I use on a daily basis come from f-droid. This enforced 24-hour wait is simply not acceptable. Android has always been a far inferior overall user experience compared to iPhone. Android's _only_ saving grace was that I could put my own third-party open-source apps on it. There is nothing left keeping me on Android now. I'll probably…

If it helps, the 24-hour wait is a one-time process. You do it once, click the toggle to allow installing unregistered apps indefinitely, and then install whatever you want. You can even turn off developer options afterwards, per my understanding, and it won't impact your ability to install unregistered apps.

Re: Google details new 24-hour process to sideload unverified Android apps

#314

> In addition to the advanced flow we’re building free, limited distribution accounts for students and hobbyists. This allows you to share apps with a small group (up to 20 devices) without needing to provide a government-issued ID or pay a registration fee. I don't quite understand how those installs would be tracked. If I create a "hobbyist" account and share the apk, are the devices that install that app all repor…

You thought it wasn't reporting every app you install?

Re: Google details new 24-hour process to sideload unverified Android apps

#315

24 hour mandatory wait time to side load!? All apps I want to use on my phone are not in the Play Store. So I buy a new phone (or wipe a used phone) and then I can’t even use it for 24 hours?

Yeah, it's terrible. I buy a new phone and then can't effectively use it for 24 hours? Half my apps are downloaded from F-Droid, which I've used for over a decade. Just gives me another reason why I'm very happy to have recently moved over to GrapheneOS.

Re: Google details new 24-hour process to sideload unverified Android apps

#316

Judging by the comments sideloading plays a major part in everyone's life. What apps do you sideload guys? Why those apps are not in a store?

> What apps do you sideload guys?

I sideload no apps. I install most apps from either F-Droid main, or an other repo.

> Why those apps are not in a store?

All of them are in a repository. Just only the state sponsored ID-app is only available via the ad-infected Google RAT delivery service, also known as Google Play.

Re: Google details new 24-hour process to sideload unverified Android apps

#317

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The apps might not be available though. Many developers are simply stopping in the face of Google's invasive policies. I don't blame them. Say goodbye to useful apps like Newpipe.

Newpipe impedes revenue for an already free video hosting service. Google has less than zero obligation to them.

I remember when Microsoft got in trouble for bundling a web browser with the OS.

Re: Google details new 24-hour process to sideload unverified Android apps

#318

Reminder that when you use terminology like "sideloading" you're accepting the premise that there's something inherently dodgy about installing your software onto your operating system. Just call it "installing".

Don't use the enemy language

Re: Google details new 24-hour process to sideload unverified Android apps

#319

Judging by the comments sideloading plays a major part in everyone's life. What apps do you sideload guys? Why those apps are not in a store?

F-Droid. And also by Google's definition, everything I install from F-Droid. So Antennapod (Podcasts), ConnectBot, DAVx (sync my Fastmail calendar to my phone), Etar (Calendar app), Jellyfin (media player), Jiten (JP dictionary), KOReader (ebook reader), OsmAnd~ (Maps), VLC.

Meanwhile from the Play Store I have Bitwarden, Firefox, 2 banking apps, a few airline apps, Wireguard and Whatsapp. So I actually have more from F-Droid than the Play Store from what I regularly use.

Re: Google details new 24-hour process to sideload unverified Android apps

#320

This is going to hurt legitimate sideloading way more than actually necessary to reduce scams: - Must enable developer mode -- some apps (e.g., banking apps) will refuse to operate and such when developer mode is on, and so if you depend on such apps, I guess you just can't sideload? - One-day (day!!!) waiting period to activate (one-time) -- the vast majority of people who need to sideload something will probably no…

>- Must enable developer mode -- some apps (e.g., banking apps) will refuse to operate and such when developer mode is on, and so if you depend on such apps, I guess you just can't sideload? Hi, I'm the community engagement manager @ Android. It's my understanding that you don't have to keep developer options enabled after you enable the advanced flow. Once you make the change on your device, it's enabled. If you tur…

> It's my understanding that you don't have to keep developer options enabled after you enable the advanced flow. Once you make the change on your device, it's enabled.

Ok, but why is this advertised to applications in the first place? It's quite literally none of their business that developer options are enabled and it's a constant source of pain when some government / banking apps think they're being more "secure" by disallowing this.

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