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Re: Anthropic takes legal action against OpenCode

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Post by terhechte »

strictnein wrote: post #121
827a wrote: post #98

I'm really struggling to understand how Anthropic is benefited by not allowing this. Its bad PR for no good reason. The only thing I can figure is that Claude Code is hemorrhaging money, they're too afraid to actually enforce reasonable token limits, and the only thing that's keeping it from totally bankrupting the company tomorrow is: controlling the harness and having the harness dynamically route toward Haiku or S…

You can use OpenCode programmatically, thus turning that $200/mo Claude Code account into a very cheap Opus 4.6 API service. I don't think there's anything really to it past that.

you can also use Claude Code programmatically with the `prompt` parameter in the cli.

Re: Anthropic takes legal action against OpenCode

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Post by truncate »

green7ea wrote: post #107
ahmadyan wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

opencode is a very meh agent. Source: i run pretty much all of these agents (codex, cc, droid, opencode, amp, etc) side-by-side in agentastic.dev and opencode had basically 0 win-rate over other agents.

I've been using opencode and would be curious to try something else. What would recommend for self hosted llms?

Very new to self-hosted LLM, but I was able to run Codex with my local ollama server. (codex --oss)

Re: Anthropic takes legal action against OpenCode

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Post by SeanAnderson »

strictnein wrote: post #121
827a wrote: post #98

I'm really struggling to understand how Anthropic is benefited by not allowing this. Its bad PR for no good reason. The only thing I can figure is that Claude Code is hemorrhaging money, they're too afraid to actually enforce reasonable token limits, and the only thing that's keeping it from totally bankrupting the company tomorrow is: controlling the harness and having the harness dynamically route toward Haiku or S…

You can use OpenCode programmatically, thus turning that $200/mo Claude Code account into a very cheap Opus 4.6 API service. I don't think there's anything really to it past that.

> You can use OpenCode programmatically, thus turning that $200/mo Claude Code account into a very cheap Opus 4.6 API service.

Can you explain what you mean by this?

Re: Anthropic takes legal action against OpenCode

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Post by stanac »

0x3f wrote: post #103
827a wrote: post #98

I'm really struggling to understand how Anthropic is benefited by not allowing this. Its bad PR for no good reason. The only thing I can figure is that Claude Code is hemorrhaging money, they're too afraid to actually enforce reasonable token limits, and the only thing that's keeping it from totally bankrupting the company tomorrow is: controlling the harness and having the harness dynamically route toward Haiku or S…

They want lock-in for their UI/X, presumably. If Photoshop ran in the cloud, I doubt Adobe would let you make an alternative front-end either. Not that I'm sympathetic to them.

> If Photoshop ran in the cloud

Off topic, but there is something like that: photopea, it's free and it's good enough for my use cases (I need it once a year maybe).

Re: Anthropic takes legal action against OpenCode

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Post by pbasista »

anonym29 wrote: post #15
cedws wrote: post #7

Under what law can Anthropic force OpenCode to do this? Surely it's not illegal to publish code that interacts with an API that's open for everyone to see?

The API has a very clear ToS prohibiting third-party client usage with the heavily subsidized Claude.ai subscription plans. Anthropic's right to reject or block that traffic, as well as to ban users who attempt this, is well-protected by the ToS those users neglected to read. Regarding the legal demands here, anyone can issue anyone else a cease and desist order at any time, for anything, in the USA. The demands do n…

> The API has a very clear ToS prohibiting ...

What is the relevance?

If I understand correctly, OpenCode, i.e. the creator of the tool, does not use Anthropic's API. Their users do.

I am unsure where the connection can be made between the users violating some terms of service and a maker of a tool.

Re: Anthropic takes legal action against OpenCode

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Post by Ycros »

tietjens wrote: post #76
extr wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ever since the shutdown of the side-load they've been pretty vocally anti-anthropic on twitter. Paranoid that anthropic is going to torpedo them via some backdoor now that they own bun, insinuating that anthropic shut down the auth from a position of weakness since OpenCode is a superior product, etc. The thing is OpenCode IS a great product, I'm not sure it's "superior", but unfortunately the way things are evolving…

The OpenCode bun dependency is an unsettling issue I would imagine.

if you look at the last few weeks of commits, you can see they've been systematically ripping out everything bun-specific and moving to node

Re: Anthropic takes legal action against OpenCode

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Post by hirako2000 »

827a wrote: post #98

I'm really struggling to understand how Anthropic is benefited by not allowing this. Its bad PR for no good reason. The only thing I can figure is that Claude Code is hemorrhaging money, they're too afraid to actually enforce reasonable token limits, and the only thing that's keeping it from totally bankrupting the company tomorrow is: controlling the harness and having the harness dynamically route toward Haiku or S…

also for economic reason. Anthropic design Claude code so they are in control regarding how token get burned. To a degree.

With 3rd party, designers have not incentive to be token consumption conscious.

Gemini has a 1M token context, flash can be used for free via the web interface, can't paste more than handful thousands token.

Re: Anthropic takes legal action against OpenCode

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Post by celestialcheese »

827a wrote: post #98

I'm really struggling to understand how Anthropic is benefited by not allowing this. Its bad PR for no good reason. The only thing I can figure is that Claude Code is hemorrhaging money, they're too afraid to actually enforce reasonable token limits, and the only thing that's keeping it from totally bankrupting the company tomorrow is: controlling the harness and having the harness dynamically route toward Haiku or S…

My guess is that the telemetry data they can collect from interacting with claude code is the "secret sauce" behind a lot of the improvements we're seeing with coding models right now. Look at cursors Composer-2 release today. Clicking "accept" during plan mode, committing changes and pushing to a remote repo, etc. is a really strong reward signal.

Can't collect telemetry from applications you don't control.

Re: Anthropic takes legal action against OpenCode

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Post by maronato »

croes wrote: post #67
extr wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ever since the shutdown of the side-load they've been pretty vocally anti-anthropic on twitter. Paranoid that anthropic is going to torpedo them via some backdoor now that they own bun, insinuating that anthropic shut down the auth from a position of weakness since OpenCode is a superior product, etc. The thing is OpenCode IS a great product, I'm not sure it's "superior", but unfortunately the way things are evolving…

Why does Anthropic care how the tokens are consumed?

If you use Claude through an interface that’s not Claude Code, you’ll only stick with it for as long as it proves itself the best. With other interfaces, you can experiment with multiple models and switch from one to another for different tasks or different periods of time.

Those tokens going to other providers are tokens not going to Anthropic, so they want to lock you in with Claude Code. And it clearly works, since a lot of people swear by it.

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