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Re: Anthropic takes legal action against OpenCode

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Post by strictnein »

827a wrote: post #98

I'm really struggling to understand how Anthropic is benefited by not allowing this. Its bad PR for no good reason. The only thing I can figure is that Claude Code is hemorrhaging money, they're too afraid to actually enforce reasonable token limits, and the only thing that's keeping it from totally bankrupting the company tomorrow is: controlling the harness and having the harness dynamically route toward Haiku or S…

You can use OpenCode programmatically, thus turning that $200/mo Claude Code account into a very cheap Opus 4.6 API service.

I don't think there's anything really to it past that.

Re: Anthropic takes legal action against OpenCode

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Post by siva7 »

lostmsu wrote: post #52
extr wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ever since the shutdown of the side-load they've been pretty vocally anti-anthropic on twitter. Paranoid that anthropic is going to torpedo them via some backdoor now that they own bun, insinuating that anthropic shut down the auth from a position of weakness since OpenCode is a superior product, etc. The thing is OpenCode IS a great product, I'm not sure it's "superior", but unfortunately the way things are evolving…

I have a huge issue 10416 on OpenCode https://github.com/anomalyco/opencode/issues/10416 - their stance on privacy

not sure i follow - do they leak my information to their own servers by default?

Re: Anthropic takes legal action against OpenCode

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Post by extr »

tietjens wrote: post #76
extr wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ever since the shutdown of the side-load they've been pretty vocally anti-anthropic on twitter. Paranoid that anthropic is going to torpedo them via some backdoor now that they own bun, insinuating that anthropic shut down the auth from a position of weakness since OpenCode is a superior product, etc. The thing is OpenCode IS a great product, I'm not sure it's "superior", but unfortunately the way things are evolving…

The OpenCode bun dependency is an unsettling issue I would imagine.

I think frankly OpenCode is delusional to think that Anthropic is actually "concerned" with them in any way. Anthropic's concerns at this point are on the geopolitical level. I doubt stamping out ToS-violating usage of their subscription services is even on executive radar. OpenAI only allows it because it's a cheap PR win and they take those where they can get them.

Re: Anthropic takes legal action against OpenCode

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Post by bilekas »

rspeele wrote: post #97
bilekas wrote: post #22

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Don't give them ideas please. They'll ask for more investment to do exactly this. I miss the days when open source was a way to get your product in the developers hands and build trust. Stuff like this shows that the tide has shifted to primary focus on shareholders and potential hold on patents and trademarks.

> I miss the days when open source was... Me too. I also miss the days when I was proud of my little open source projects. Now I just regret donating fuel, even a miniscule amount in the grand scheme of things, to the soulless lawnmower that has already chopped down so much of my joy in work and promises to eventually shred the paycheck, too.

> Now I just regret donating fuel

I hear yah, especially knowing that AI crawlers just don't respect ROBOTS.txt or anything similar, but there's still nothing wrong with writing code for fun.. No need to lose that!

Re: Anthropic takes legal action against OpenCode

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Post by raw_anon_1111 »

cedws wrote: post #84
raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #63

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I hate these non lawyer HN takes that call anything they don’t like “anti competitive”. Let’s just start with looking up “no duty to deal”.

I don't mean anti-competitive in the legal sense of the word, I mean that it literally is hostile to competition.

It’s a company’s job to be hostile to competition

Re: Anthropic takes legal action against OpenCode

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Post by simple10 »

0x3f wrote: post #103
827a wrote: post #98

I'm really struggling to understand how Anthropic is benefited by not allowing this. Its bad PR for no good reason. The only thing I can figure is that Claude Code is hemorrhaging money, they're too afraid to actually enforce reasonable token limits, and the only thing that's keeping it from totally bankrupting the company tomorrow is: controlling the harness and having the harness dynamically route toward Haiku or S…

They want lock-in for their UI/X, presumably. If Photoshop ran in the cloud, I doubt Adobe would let you make an alternative front-end either. Not that I'm sympathetic to them.

Yes, this. They need as much lock-in as possible before IPO. Most likely less about cash flow and more about IPO story telling.

We'll know for sure when they add full OpenClaw-like features to Claude Code like remote channels & heartbeat support. Both are partially implemented already.

Re: Anthropic takes legal action against OpenCode

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Post by harikb »

827a wrote: post #98

I'm really struggling to understand how Anthropic is benefited by not allowing this. Its bad PR for no good reason. The only thing I can figure is that Claude Code is hemorrhaging money, they're too afraid to actually enforce reasonable token limits, and the only thing that's keeping it from totally bankrupting the company tomorrow is: controlling the harness and having the harness dynamically route toward Haiku or S…

1. If alternate UX exists, the user can easily replace them with another model as soon as it comes out.

2. All 'all-you-can-eat' plans everywhere comes with clause. Whether it is lunch at a restaurant or it is token-proxy-providers who might think of reselling Max plan to individuals at 20% markup.

> Let the weirdos at Anthropic do what weirdos do, and hopefully one day their name is never mentioned again in polite society.

Woof, that is a bit harsh... :) OpenAI will also face the same problem. They are doing it right now because they need to stand out in some way.

Re: Anthropic takes legal action against OpenCode

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Post by somebodythere »

extr wrote: post #74
ipsum2 wrote: post #34

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This seems like pure misinformation. The code lines that are actually changed: hint: { opencode: "recommended", -anthropic: "API key", openai: "ChatGPT Plus/Pro or API key", }[x.id], They're removing the ability to use OpenCode via Anthropic API key

Is this what the legal request demanded or is this just something that OpenCode is doing out of spite? Seems unclear. To me the meat of this change is that they're removing support for `opencode-anthropic-auth` and the prompt text that allows OpenCode to mimic Claude Code behavior. They have been skirting the intent of the original C&D for awhile now with these auth plugins and prompt text.

Using your API key in third-party harnesses has always been allowed. They just don't like using the subsidized subscription plan outside of first-party harnesses. So this seems to be out of spite

Re: Anthropic takes legal action against OpenCode

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Post by siva7 »

bitpush wrote: post #75
tietjens wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is not my impression, could you explain what you're talking about?

Anthropic provides subsidized access to Claude models through Claude Code. It is well understood to be 'a loss leader' so that they can incentivize people to use Claude Code. OpenCode lets people take the Claude-Code-only-API-Key, and lets them use it in a different harness. Anthropic's preferred way for such interaction is getting a different, Claude API key (and not Claude Code SDK API key). --- A rough analogy mig…

> It is well understood to be 'a loss leader'

You have zero proof for this claim. It's like people read somewhere that stuff and keep spitting it out again and again without understanding..

Re: Anthropic takes legal action against OpenCode

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Post by [deleted] »

extr wrote: post #48
tietjens wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is not my impression, could you explain what you're talking about?

Ever since the shutdown of the side-load they've been pretty vocally anti-anthropic on twitter. Paranoid that anthropic is going to torpedo them via some backdoor now that they own bun, insinuating that anthropic shut down the auth from a position of weakness since OpenCode is a superior product, etc. The thing is OpenCode IS a great product, I'm not sure it's "superior", but unfortunately the way things are evolving…

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