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Google details new 24-hour process to sideload unverified Android apps

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Re: Google details new 24-hour process to sideload unverified Android apps

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I don't see anything on NewPipe's website about not continuing development?

A few apps have been showing pop-ups warning users in advance that they are not going to do the verification. Obtanium is definitely on of them. I think I saw something similar on NewPipe.

If you install it or update it you will get a banner to this effect at first use.

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>They should probably not have a bank account at all and just stick to cash Pretty much illegal in some parts of EU

Source? Also how is it related to the EU if it only affects certain places? Could have just said certain places in Europe

Illegal would by a hyperbole. But the noose is tightening a bit.

There are upcoming limits for cash transactions (10K, countries can opt to go lower), and strong requirements for identity verification at 3K or more euros in cash.

See: https://www.deloittelegal.de/dl/en/services/legal/perspectiv...

EDIT: The other side of the coin is that banks are _required_ to give legal residents of a country a basic account that can be used for payments.

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The one-day waiting period is so arbitrary. Have they demonstrated any supporting data? We know google loves to flaunt data. Something like Github's approach of forcing users to type the name of the repo they wish to delete would seem to be more than sufficient to protect technically disinclined users while still allowing technically aware users to do what they please with their own device.

> The one-day waiting period is so arbitrary. Scammers aren't going to wait on the phone for a day with your elderly parent.

Right, this friction makes it much harder for a scammer to get away with saying something like, "wire me $10,000 right now or you won't see your child ever again!" as the potential victim is forced to wait 24 hours before they can install the scammer's malicious app, thus giving them time to think about it and/or call their trusted contacts.

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>They should probably not have a bank account at all and just stick to cash Pretty much illegal in some parts of EU

Source? Also how is it related to the EU if it only affects certain places? Could have just said certain places in Europe

Also illegal in Denmark. You need a NemKonto by law. Also making cash payments over 15000 is illegal since 2024. So you can't make a large purchase without a bank transfer.

Re: Google details new 24-hour process to sideload unverified Android apps

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This is going to hurt legitimate sideloading way more than actually necessary to reduce scams: - Must enable developer mode -- some apps (e.g., banking apps) will refuse to operate and such when developer mode is on, and so if you depend on such apps, I guess you just can't sideload? - One-day (day!!!) waiting period to activate (one-time) -- the vast majority of people who need to sideload something will probably no…

>- Must enable developer mode -- some apps (e.g., banking apps) will refuse to operate and such when developer mode is on, and so if you depend on such apps, I guess you just can't sideload? Hi, I'm the community engagement manager @ Android. It's my understanding that you don't have to keep developer options enabled after you enable the advanced flow. Once you make the change on your device, it's enabled. If you tur…

May I use ADB or Developer mode to disable the one-day period?

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Death, taxes and escalating safety are the only certainities in this tech dominated world. So, be ready for more safety in the next round few months/years down the line. Eventually Android will become as secure as ios. We need a third alternative before that day comes. It's not a win by any means. I hope that we don't stop making noise.

> It's not a win by any means.

It's a a defeat, albeit a minor one. The defeats will escalate until there's nothing left to lose. "Normies" don't care and the tech people who do care are fewer and further between than you'd think.

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At this point I'm convinced that there's something deeply wrong with how our society treats technology. Ruining Android for everyone to try to maybe help some rather technologically-hopeless groups of people is the wrong solution. It's unsustainable in the long run. Also, the last thing this world needs right now is even more centralization of power. Especially around yet another US company. People who are unwilling…

Idiocracy needs a spiritual "sequel" with modern times.

Re: Google details new 24-hour process to sideload unverified Android apps

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At this point I'm convinced that there's something deeply wrong with how our society treats technology. Ruining Android for everyone to try to maybe help some rather technologically-hopeless groups of people is the wrong solution. It's unsustainable in the long run. Also, the last thing this world needs right now is even more centralization of power. Especially around yet another US company. People who are unwilling…

Is this even the reason? If Android phonemakers are simply concerned about tech-illiterate users switching to iPhone, they could sell a locked-down Android phone that requires some know-how to unlock.

This was a reason that someone at Google gave iirc, but its ridiculous.

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Death, taxes and escalating safety are the only certainities in this tech dominated world. So, be ready for more safety in the next round few months/years down the line. Eventually Android will become as secure as ios. We need a third alternative before that day comes. It's not a win by any means. I hope that we don't stop making noise.

*Tightening control. Nothing about safety here.

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The goal seems to be breaking the real-time guidance scammers rely on. 24h probably works, but it feels like a heavy tradeoff for legit users.

Capitulating now means next time the terms of the deal will be worse.
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