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Google details new 24-hour process to sideload unverified Android apps

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Re: Google details new 24-hour process to sideload unverified Android apps

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Post by keanebean86 »

politelemon wrote: post #94

I'm not in agreement with most of you, hn. They've found a decent compromise that works for power users and the general population. Your status as a power user does not invalidate the need to help the more vulnerable. Having to wait a day for a one off isn't a big deal, if they kept it looser then you'd be shouting about the amount of scams that propagate on the platform.

My personal hard line is having to ask Google for permission to sideload. Even if it's free and no personal info is exchanged. This new process is annoying but I can see it helping prevent scams.

Re: Google details new 24-hour process to sideload unverified Android apps

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Post by RIMR »

focusedone wrote: post #5

I'm generally OK with this, but the 24 hour hang time does seem a bit onerous. Most of the apps on my phone are installed from F-Droid. I guess the next time I get a new phone I'll have to wait at least 24 hours for it to become useful. I'm seriously considering Graphene for a next personal device and whatever the cheapest iOS device is for work.

This is hopefully an exciting time to consider a Motorola device, since they are partnering with GrapheneOS, but I worry that Google will block Google Play Services on any device that doesn't comply, so this might actually be a demoralizing time to be a GrapheneOS fan, when we watch them worm their stupid walled garden nonsense into the Motorola version of it.

Re: Google details new 24-hour process to sideload unverified Android apps

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Post by egorelik »

As an idea, what about allowing the 24 hours to be bypassed using adb (edit: bypass to allow indefinitely, not just install a single app)?

I understand there is some problem trying to be solved here, but honestly this is still quite frustrating for legitimate uses. If this is the direction that computing is moving, I'd really rather there were separate products available for power users/devs that reflected our different usage.

Re: Google details new 24-hour process to sideload unverified Android apps

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Post by estimator7292 »

grishka wrote: post #87

At this point I'm convinced that there's something deeply wrong with how our society treats technology. Ruining Android for everyone to try to maybe help some rather technologically-hopeless groups of people is the wrong solution. It's unsustainable in the long run. Also, the last thing this world needs right now is even more centralization of power. Especially around yet another US company. People who are unwilling…

Your mistake is taking Google's argument at face value. Protecting users is an outright lie, this is purely about control.

Google doesn't give one single shit if users download malware from the Play Store, but hypothetical malware from third party sources is so much worse that we need to ruin the whole OS? That doesn't pass the sniff test.

Google wants to make sure you can only download malware from developers who give google a cut. They want to control the OS and remove user choice. That's all it is. That's what it's always been about.

"Protecting users" is a pretense and nothing more. Google does not care at all about user safety. They aren't even capable of caring at this point. There are far, far cheaper and more effective ways to actually protect users, and google isn't doing any of them.

Re: Google details new 24-hour process to sideload unverified Android apps

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Post by cenamus »

NullPrefix wrote: post #106
grishka wrote: post #87

At this point I'm convinced that there's something deeply wrong with how our society treats technology. Ruining Android for everyone to try to maybe help some rather technologically-hopeless groups of people is the wrong solution. It's unsustainable in the long run. Also, the last thing this world needs right now is even more centralization of power. Especially around yet another US company. People who are unwilling…

>They should probably not have a bank account at all and just stick to cash Pretty much illegal in some parts of EU

Source?

Also how is it related to the EU if it only affects certain places? Could have just said certain places in Europe

Re: Google details new 24-hour process to sideload unverified Android apps

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Post by pfortuny »

NullPrefix wrote: post #106
grishka wrote: post #87

At this point I'm convinced that there's something deeply wrong with how our society treats technology. Ruining Android for everyone to try to maybe help some rather technologically-hopeless groups of people is the wrong solution. It's unsustainable in the long run. Also, the last thing this world needs right now is even more centralization of power. Especially around yet another US company. People who are unwilling…

>They should probably not have a bank account at all and just stick to cash Pretty much illegal in some parts of EU

Completely illegal in Spain if you have a paid job.

Re: Google details new 24-hour process to sideload unverified Android apps

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Post by itsdesmond »

grishka wrote: post #87

At this point I'm convinced that there's something deeply wrong with how our society treats technology. Ruining Android for everyone to try to maybe help some rather technologically-hopeless groups of people is the wrong solution. It's unsustainable in the long run. Also, the last thing this world needs right now is even more centralization of power. Especially around yet another US company. People who are unwilling…

what

Re: Google details new 24-hour process to sideload unverified Android apps

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Post by grishka »

NullPrefix wrote: post #106
grishka wrote: post #87

At this point I'm convinced that there's something deeply wrong with how our society treats technology. Ruining Android for everyone to try to maybe help some rather technologically-hopeless groups of people is the wrong solution. It's unsustainable in the long run. Also, the last thing this world needs right now is even more centralization of power. Especially around yet another US company. People who are unwilling…

>They should probably not have a bank account at all and just stick to cash Pretty much illegal in some parts of EU

Not sure how it works in countries that didn't go through 80 years of socialism, but I assume that you're saying that in those countries, your salary is required to go to your bank account and can't be paid in cash. Then you can still pretty much "stick to cash" by withdrawing the whole thing on your payday. But then idk, maybe everyone in those countries is aware of the risks related to keeping their money in a bank, it's just the internet banking that introduces the new ones for them.

Re: Google details new 24-hour process to sideload unverified Android apps

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Post by pfortuny »

cenamus wrote: post #116
NullPrefix wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>They should probably not have a bank account at all and just stick to cash Pretty much illegal in some parts of EU

Source? Also how is it related to the EU if it only affects certain places? Could have just said certain places in Europe

Spain: you must be paid through a bank if you

-have a steady contract -are paid more than 1000€ for a job (say you are self-employed).

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