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Re: 4Chan mocks £520k fine for UK online safety breaches

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> "Companies – wherever they're based – are not allowed to sell unsafe toys to children in the UK. And society has long protected youngsters from things like alcohol, smoking and gambling. The digital world should be no different," she said. So the UK plans to fine Parisian bars that serve alcohol to British under-18s in France on holiday?

France can fine Parisian bars that serve alcohol to under-18s itself.

Re: 4Chan mocks £520k fine for UK online safety breaches

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UK fining an American company for this is absurd. 4Chan isn't breaking any laws. You can make it illegal for your own citizens but you can't regulate a foreign business. UK citizens should fight for the right to free speech though.

This is false. You of course can regulate and fine a foreign business. That's how trade regulations work.

The UK isn't going to get a cent from that but the leadership is banned from entering the UK for the foreseeable future.

Doing this a lot as a country is how you achieve pariah status and losing a bunch of trade, though.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

And now we'll watch the UK take the logical next step which is for the government to mandate that all ISPs in the country block 4chan. CCP "Great Firewall" style.

Most Brits already have a VPN to beat off so the effect will be negligible.

"Most" is probably not accurate. I can't imagine the average middle aged individual in the UK has a VPN they use regularly. I'd be pleasantly surprised if that was the case.

Re: 4Chan mocks £520k fine for UK online safety breaches

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The response from Ofcom doesn’t stand up to scrutiny. If you are to sell a toy in the UK you must be a British company. (and must pay VAT and comply with British safety standards). If a consumer buys from overseas and imports a product then they do not have British consumer protections. Which is why so much aliexpress electrical stuff is dangerous (expecially USB chargers) yet it continues to be legally imported. Jus…

Is it correct to say the consumer is importing a product when it's aliexpress shipping it to them?

Unless AliExpress has a local entity, like they do in some countries, yes.

Re: 4Chan mocks £520k fine for UK online safety breaches

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4chan's lawyer's response: "In the only country in which 4chan operates, the United States, it is breaking no law and indeed its conduct is expressly protected by the First Amendment."[0] [0] https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c624330lg1ko

As shown in that same article, they also responded: >>> "Companies – wherever they're based – are not allowed to sell unsafe toys to children in the UK. And society has long protected youngsters from things like alcohol, smoking and gambling. The digital world should be no different," she said. "The UK is setting new standards for online safety. Age checks and risk assessments are cornerstones of our laws, and we'll…

Their goal is to create a presedent so they can start applying it to platforms they don't like. Its happening all over Europe not just the UK and the plan is clear. They want to repress discourse that is not officially sanctioned.

Re: 4Chan mocks £520k fine for UK online safety breaches

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This part is somewhat surprising to me:

> Data shows that nearly 80% of the top 100 pornography sites in the UK now have age checks in place. This means that on average, every day, over 7 million visitors from the UK are accessing pornography services that have deployed age assurance.

I would have expected that most people would switch to other pornography sites that don't have age checks rather than doing an age check. But apparently that isn't the case. (Or their data is misleading. People in the UK who are using VPNs presumably can't be easily identified as British.)

Re: 4Chan mocks £520k fine for UK online safety breaches

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4chan's lawyer's response: "In the only country in which 4chan operates, the United States, it is breaking no law and indeed its conduct is expressly protected by the First Amendment."[0] [0] https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c624330lg1ko

And now we'll watch the UK take the logical next step which is for the government to mandate that all ISPs in the country block 4chan. CCP "Great Firewall" style.

You'd be amazed at the times I've argued with people on HN that free speech infringement by the UK government has grown rampant, only for them to enact the next draconian law a month later.

Re: 4Chan mocks £520k fine for UK online safety breaches

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post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most Brits already have a VPN to beat off so the effect will be negligible.

"Most" is probably not accurate. I can't imagine the average middle aged individual in the UK has a VPN they use regularly. I'd be pleasantly surprised if that was the case.

The average middle aged individual probably doesn't read 4chan.

VPN take up in the UK is around 20-25%

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