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Ghost — rethinking WordPress

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Re: Ghost — rethinking WordPress

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Post by goldfeld »

drivingmenuts wrote: post #87
mosselman wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes thats the way to create great new products. Make it easy for non-techies to get them up and running and make sure they run on shared hosting and are created in a language that beginners use to learn about programming.

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not, so I'll just assume the worst. Yes, it is - there's a lot more non-techies than there are of the other kind, so it makes sense that you focus your efforts on the larger market. As for the whole "language that beginners use to learn about programming", do you mean Python or Java? PHP is everywhere but the last I checked, Python and Java are the teaching and taught languag…

Let's switch Java for Javascript and Python for Coffeescript as far as similar syntaxes go. In any case, regardless of existing userbase, doing a forward looking project in backward looking technologies doesn't sound right to me. Go with Node, or Clojure if easily deployable today is a must.

Re: Ghost — rethinking WordPress

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Post by gozmike »

photomatt wrote: post #95
gozmike wrote: post #90

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this saddens me. the promise of blogging for me has always been the ability to have my own printing press and know that nearly everyone else in the world had access to one as well. i'm still trying to understand how this "evolution" has actually decreased the quality of communication.

No reason to be sad -- imagine a platform that you can stay on whether you're posting pictures of your food to a few dozen people (as I do) or the NYT FiveThirtyEight blog covering the election, to all of Wired.com. That's democratizing publishing.

That's a great perspective and why I'm head over heels for WordPress as a platform for publishers of all shapes and sizes (and have built a company around it)

Then again, this versatility has its drawbacks. We're constantly challenged by the complexity of building a mobile viewport onto WordPress and present it in a way that makes reading, discussing and sharing this kind of content. The options for publishers are limitless and translating that to mobile in a way that makes sense is really non-trivial.

Re: Ghost — rethinking WordPress

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Post by [deleted] »

huskyr wrote: post #53
Karunamon wrote: post #47

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Newer languages aren't? Every linux distro that matters (including BSD, Gentoo, and others with a ports system), heck even Windows, has a full Rails stack that's about two commands away from being fully set up. Unless I misunderstood what you mean, here :)

Sure, you're right. But i suspect that 95% of all WP installs are by non-techies on shared hosting, that very rarely have Rails or Python support.

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Re: Ghost — rethinking WordPress

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Post by krmmalik »

Question for photomatt if you're still reading this comment thread, and since it might be my only chance to get dialog with you.

Are you considering any changes regards the stack, since many installations can have a issues with speed now (not intended as a criticism). So eg something like Postgres, or MongoDB even for the DB Backend?

Re: Ghost — rethinking WordPress

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Post by nacin »

JamesSL wrote: post #50
krogsgard wrote: post #27

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Unrealistic for software that powers over 20% of all new websites. Also, a bit presumptuous of the core team. I think there is a lot of support for a simplified UI (see Matt's post above). Just because there is a barrier before you get patches submitted doesn't make the core team unwilling. Each decision needs fleshing out before getting put into a new version of WP. If it wasn't that way, the project would be a (tot…

Its WordPress' support for older versions and depreciated plugins which is of the bigger issues.

Our commitment to backwards compatibility simply forces us to make smarter, more deliberate decisions.

Because we talk so much about our back compat efforts, it is certainly understandable that people might think that is where almost all of our development effort goes. But that isn't actually the case.

We heavily emphasize our philosophies because it makes adopting and updating WordPress easier, and we want users to know that. But in practice, the way we build software doesn't hamstring us. We've introduced new features and rewritten entire APIs without needlessly breaking plugins or sites. And we do sometimes drop stuff -- we are just careful about it. We do whatever is necessary to make WordPress evolve. In the end, we've simply become really good at following through.

Re: Ghost — rethinking WordPress

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Post by _pferreir_ »

scott_s wrote: post #93
ck2 wrote: post #7

The whole page is images, and it's a non-existent product, it's just a theory/proposal. Buried in the text is it would be a fork of wordpress . Net is filled with that sentiment, but it never takes off: http://www.google.com/search?q=fork+wordpress&tbo=1&... If you want to replace wordpress you need a modern rewrite, not a fork. The #1 problem of wordpress (among many) is it loads every darn thing on every darn page…

I see no reason why it can't be a fork. You may not want it to be a fork, but that's different from it needing to be a new project. There is a very popular piece of software that millions of people use today that was a fork of a large, sprawling suite of a mess of several programs that used an actual Godzilla as its mascot: Firefox.

And, if I recall correctly, Mozilla had a hard time keeping it at the same level of WebKit/Chrome, partly because the code was too old and needed a lot of changes.

Re: Ghost — rethinking WordPress

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Post by uglyclown »

taylorbuley wrote: post #54

Very interesting ideas here, for me particulary in the "free as in Mozilla, not as in Automattic" angle. Some might consider it blasphemy to say Auttomattic and WordPress have divergent goals so I'm glad people are having the discussion. All that said, I'm not sure I want a CMS from someone who uses images for text instead of actual text http://john.onolan.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/81.png

^ This. The author of the page has obviously no idea what he's talking about.

Re: Ghost — rethinking WordPress

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Post by mannjani »

photomatt wrote: post #61

I really like some of the things John has done in his mockups here, especially on the write screen, and contrary to what he thinks ideas like this are more than welcome in the WordPress community. (For example check out the dramatically revamped media or the dozens of eliminated options in trunk right now.) The one big mistake in his premise, however, is that only 34% of WordPress users are blogging, the actual perce…

You may be right about his mistake in quoting the statistics but his point holds that wordpress is not THAT friendly for bloggers who just wants to publish their ideas.
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