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Re: WFH is becoming a benefit again

#31
Been working remotely for a long time now and was beginning to feel that loneliness. So, I started going to a co-working space to be around people again. Two/three days a week I'm in the "office" with my new "coworkers". It's been great to get to socialize and talk to other tech folks who are working on interesting and different things.

But I also love that freedom of staying home whenever I want to. IMO, more offices should operate more like this.

Re: WFH is becoming a benefit again

#32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the perfect set-up is hybrid, with 1-2 days office / 3-4 days home. Virtual meetings are significantly worse than in-person. But obviously the commute determines whether this is "on net" worthwhile.

> Virtual meetings are significantly worse than in-person The problem is that "in-person" meetings are still Zoom calls for those that didn't come in, so it's the worst of both worlds.

My team has at least one person in every continent (except Africa and the Antarctic, but we do have someone on Réunion), so meetings are and will always be video conferences.

Re: WFH is becoming a benefit again

#33

I've been working fully remote for like 5 years at this point and I have to say I do get an itch to go into the office. My pipe dream for the future of work is it's remote by default with in-office being a decision that's made at a team level. Ideally there would be no hard requirement to come to the office X days per week, it would be a team coming together and saying "hey, how about we all go into the office on Tue…

I think the perfect set-up is hybrid, with 1-2 days office / 3-4 days home. Virtual meetings are significantly worse than in-person. But obviously the commute determines whether this is "on net" worthwhile.

I have a long commute to get to an office where everyone is wearing noise cancelling headphones for meetings...

Re: WFH is becoming a benefit again

#34

Been working remotely for a long time now and was beginning to feel that loneliness. So, I started going to a co-working space to be around people again. Two/three days a week I'm in the "office" with my new "coworkers". It's been great to get to socialize and talk to other tech folks who are working on interesting and different things. But I also love that freedom of staying home whenever I want to. IMO, more office…

> Two/three days a week...

This is the norm now for the past few years, and is one of the few ways to protect your job from being fully offshored.

People keep complaining on HN, but the reality is WFH during COVID proved async works, and if async works then there's no reason not to reduce hiring in MTV and NYC and shift to (eg.) Prague, Warsaw, Tel Aviv, Bangalore, etc.

The post above as well is predicated on a 1973 style consumer transport shock. At least in most developed countries, the average MPG has dramatically increased [0].

In 1973, the average MPG was around 12 MPG. In 2015 (before EVs were normalized) it was almost 25 MPG. In 2026, numbers would be significantly higher.

A more realistic prior is what happened in 2006-07: your boss will expect you to go to work.

[0] - https://public.websites.umich.edu/~umtriswt/PDF/SWT-2017-5.p...

Re: WFH is becoming a benefit again

#35

Honestly: This WFH shit was the worst for me - Ive lost more than 20kg due to eating not enough at home, I like to go to the office: I can go out and have several lunch options and I dont have to cook for one person and then clean up 20 Min. :-)

I am also at the office almost every day because I think it's better for my mental health and food. But I also appreciate that for many, it's different, so actually having the choice individually is nice.

Re: WFH is becoming a benefit again

#36

Been working remotely for a long time now and was beginning to feel that loneliness. So, I started going to a co-working space to be around people again. Two/three days a week I'm in the "office" with my new "coworkers". It's been great to get to socialize and talk to other tech folks who are working on interesting and different things. But I also love that freedom of staying home whenever I want to. IMO, more office…

I work remotely following a divorce because my children live here. It's not something I would choose for myself and will be looking to move once they graduate.

Re: WFH is becoming a benefit again

#37
post #16

I don't know about you guys, but RTTO was the biggest signal to me that corp america is lost and beyond recovery. The benefits are so obvious, yet here we are.

I have heard a large impetus for the RTO push was to prop up commercial real estate. Permanent WFH would change the value of trillions of dollars of properties and reshape the commercial centers of cities. A lot of people with a lot of money at risk got really scared and decided the easiest thing to do was to go back to the status quo.

The incongruent part of that theory is that the RTO push came from middle to upper-middle management (and some top-level ones on occasion).

The owners of commercial real estate are not these people. And it doesn't seem likely that these commercial real estate owners would have sufficient push by themselves to make such a large scale RTO mandate.

Re: WFH is becoming a benefit again

#38
I've never understood having an office when it isn't absolutely required. Why spend money on something you do not actually need?

If people can't make remote collaboration work, perhaps they should study how gaming groups achieve this.

Re: WFH is becoming a benefit again

#39
post #16

I don't know about you guys, but RTTO was the biggest signal to me that corp america is lost and beyond recovery. The benefits are so obvious, yet here we are.

I have heard a large impetus for the RTO push was to prop up commercial real estate. Permanent WFH would change the value of trillions of dollars of properties and reshape the commercial centers of cities. A lot of people with a lot of money at risk got really scared and decided the easiest thing to do was to go back to the status quo.

There were a lot of downstream effects as well -- local businesses that depended upon those office workers being in the area. Those ripples hurt a lot of people.

That said, it shouldn't be the driver of RTO, it should be the need to actually have in-person collaboration.

Re: WFH is becoming a benefit again

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post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the perfect set-up is hybrid, with 1-2 days office / 3-4 days home. Virtual meetings are significantly worse than in-person. But obviously the commute determines whether this is "on net" worthwhile.

I have a long commute to get to an office where everyone is wearing noise cancelling headphones for meetings...

Ha! That seems like a waste. As I said, commute time determines whether its worth it.
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