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Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by terminalshort »

vrganj wrote: post #423
terminalshort wrote: post #395

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US law, which is the only relevant law to discuss the actions of the president of the US.

The US constitution specifically calls out treaties signed by the US (such as the UN Charta) as supreme law of the land . Article VI, the "Supremacy Clause". Thus, US law, too, defers to international law. Please at least read the legal framework you're so confidently misdescribing.

It isn't obeyed or enforced and, therefore, is not the law. I won't read it as there is no point in doing so because it is not the law.

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by vrganj »

terminalshort wrote: post #441
vrganj wrote: post #423

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US constitution specifically calls out treaties signed by the US (such as the UN Charta) as supreme law of the land . Article VI, the "Supremacy Clause". Thus, US law, too, defers to international law. Please at least read the legal framework you're so confidently misdescribing.

It isn't obeyed or enforced and, therefore, is not the law. I won't read it as there is no point in doing so because it is not the law.

By that incredibly circular definition, laws don't exist. All it takes is ignoring them and then they disappear!

That's obviously not how things work. If you don't obey the law, you are a criminal. That's the whole point of laws.

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by FpUser »

mcv wrote: post #236
fluidcruft wrote: post #125

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I'm of pretty mixed feelings about this. It certainly strengthened Europe's collective defense priorities and awareness. That response happens to include NATO but primarily because Europe is too weak without NATO. Europe used to be full of world powers and now they collectively can't manage collective defense without the US? There's something very learned-helplessness about that. And yes, it certainly has served Amer…

Europe's weakness is mostly in their heads. The US is the most powerful military in the world, but the second most powerful military is NATO without the US. If the rest of NATO pulls together and reorganises into an effective military that doesn't depend on the US, it would be a force to be reckoned with. Europe could easily defeat Russia without outside help (look at how well Ukraine is doing with far less!), but we…

>"but the second most powerful military is NATO without the US"

I am curious how much of NATO's hardware originate from the / depends on the US and and what will suddenly stop working if the US decides to break military alliance.

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by gpderetta »

AlecSchueler wrote: post #234
lynndotpy wrote: post #220

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I'm really happy these topics are being discussed here on HN, when they weren't ~1 year ago. When considering a post-USA world, we also get to consider a post-Microsoft, post-Meta, post-Google, post-CloudFlare, post-Amazon, etc world. I can't say I know much about how the EU operates or how quickly their Open Digital Ecosystems initiative could take shape, but this is a really opportune time to build a better tech in…

> I'm really happy these topics are being discussed here on HN, when they weren't ~1 year ago. They were being discussed a year ago, too, they just got flagged. Make sure to check /active

> Make sure to check /active

Thanks, TIL.

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by DeusExMachina »

jacquesm wrote: post #3

Of course they were. The United States has never before damaged its own reputation in Europe as much as they did in the last 12 months. And the same goes for Canada, possibly worse. You don't go around threatening your allies unless you really have plans and that's why you don't elect senile old guys to positions of power.

The same should be said of the senile old women that damage Europe's reputation. That is, if they were actually elected and not appointed by bureaucrats.

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by jacquesm »

pembrook wrote: post #173
Trasmatta wrote: post #124

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The US threatening to invade European territory, and Europe preparing to fight a war against the US, is absolutely "some interesting new phenomenon".

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The choice to possibly go to war was not Denmark's. An invasion of territory is a war.

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by terminalshort »

Detrytus wrote: post #411
terminalshort wrote: post #213

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The war isn't illegal. The president has that power. I don't like it either, but since the Korean War this is simply a statement of fact.

US constitution says that starting a war must be authorized by Congress, president has no authority to do it on his own. The problem is: over time the US grew so powerful, that the definition of "war" became blurry. "No, we are not at war, our soldiers are just dropping bombs on Iran for fun and profit". EDIT: Another problem, of course, is that current member of Congress have no balls to stand up to Trump and reclai…

Congress made its mistake a long time ago. Power is very difficult to reclaim once it has been relinquished. And it didn't even take a Caesar crossing the Rubicon in our case.

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by varispeed »

dismalaf wrote: post #402
varispeed wrote: post #396

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You don't understand Russian mentality. The closer ally you are, the more likely you'll find yourself being defenestrated.

And this is why Russian states seem to always end up collapsing in on themselves...

If I fall asleep and wake up in a hundred years and am asked what is happening in Russia, I will answer: drinking and stealing.

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by terminalshort »

FpUser wrote: post #417
terminalshort wrote: post #213

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The war isn't illegal. The president has that power. I don't like it either, but since the Korean War this is simply a statement of fact.

>"The war isn't illegal. The president has that power" Well you can say the same about Putin then. All nice and dandy

Of course I can. He even uses the same trick of not calling it a "war"

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by jacquesm »

mcv wrote: post #404
jacquesm wrote: post #391

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> It is true that the EU didn't and still doesn't have deep ammo reserves, though Indeed it is true. But it is also changing, the stockpiles are growing.

Absolutely. The EU is now finally but rapidly adapting to these geopolitical changes. Defense budgets are now far higher than the 2% that used to be the goal that nobody met. In the 1990s everybody was eager to believe that war was finally and forever over. Some held on to that delusion for a bit too long, but not anymore.

Merkel has a lot to answer for. Handel durch wandel... pull the other one. After Grozny there should have been absolutely no doubt.
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