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Re: Afroman found not liable in defamation case

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> It's a country with a lot of guns. Police do regularly get shot at when raiding. Call me naive, but I think this could be solved by stricter gun laws. Yes, bad guys might have guns, but that's the case everywhere around the world. But being afraid that everybody could have a gun and use it against you while doing your work must clearly change something in your behaviour as a police officer... Why not calm down the…

That's like observing that we could probably solve the issue of people saying mean things on the internet by requiring ID to access it. You have to consider any expected negative consequences as well as if you'd be violating any rights.

We’ve seen other highly developed countries operate just fine without arming their citizenry to the teeth.

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I have a potentially silly question, and obviously naive - but why so many drawn guns? Fun music videos aside, what was the background here? Were they coming in on a Massive gang fortress? Or are all the stereotypes of American police forces true and they just come guns a-blazing all the time? I mean, that wasn't even police officers with hand guns, they have army-like guys with massive automatic rifles, and they see…

It's a country with a lot of guns. Police do regularly get shot at when raiding. And police departments get sent videos of every officer death from around the country and regularly watch them for "training purposes". So it makes sense that they are in a constant state of paranoia.

> Police do regularly get shot at when raiding.

Got any data?

It happens daily? Weekly? Monthly?

What is "regularly"?

Re: Afroman found not liable in defamation case

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I would argue that using the footage ought to be legal; they are in his home. Posting their names is questionable; as officers they are public servants, but naming them is perhaps invasion of privacy? Lying however would be slander and illegal, in my humble opinion. Not worth 4 million in damages, but at least a cease and desist?

> naming them is perhaps invasion of privacy? No. The President of the United states is Donald Trump. His address is 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue and his phone number is 202-456-1414. > Lying however would be slander and illegal… They couldn't prove he did.

I’d argue that’s rather different than just a cop somewhere.

He said they were criminals, and that the woman was actually a man..

Re: Afroman found not liable in defamation case

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The Snopes article is useful. For those who don’t want to read it, here is what Grossman says about that quotation: > That clip took my entire, full day presentation, and took it completely out of context. -They left out the part where I say that this is a normal biological, hormonal backlash from fight-or-flight (sympathetic nervous system arousal) to feed-and-breed (parasympathetic nervous system arousal) that can…

Yeah, shitty people often claim the context is exonerating.

> They left out where I say that it scares the hell out of people.

People literally pay money to do things that feel that way. Haunted houses, bungee jumping, skydiving.

Context: Grossman's employed to train cops to overcome relutance to shoot.

Re: Afroman found not liable in defamation case

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oponIfu5L3Y This is the video in question, police again falling trap to the Streisand effect.

Also probably a rare case where there are a few Streisand effect's all packed together, where the cops at each step made it worse for themselves. If they never did the raid in the first place, no music video, no "embarrassment". They could have cut their losses, and not made a big deal about it and probably way less people (including myself) would have ever heard about it. Instead they decided to sue, which made even…

If the police possessed the self-control and critical thinking to not drag this whole thing into a lawsuit, I think the raid would likely have never happened in the first place.

Re: Afroman found not liable in defamation case

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> naming them is perhaps invasion of privacy? No. The President of the United states is Donald Trump. His address is 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue and his phone number is 202-456-1414. > Lying however would be slander and illegal… They couldn't prove he did.

I’d argue that’s rather different than just a cop somewhere. He said they were criminals, and that the woman was actually a man..

> He said they were criminals, and that the woman was actually a man.

If that were defamatory, 90% of QAnon would be in court.

Re: Afroman found not liable in defamation case

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I have a potentially silly question, and obviously naive - but why so many drawn guns? Fun music videos aside, what was the background here? Were they coming in on a Massive gang fortress? Or are all the stereotypes of American police forces true and they just come guns a-blazing all the time? I mean, that wasn't even police officers with hand guns, they have army-like guys with massive automatic rifles, and they see…

I'm not saying what they did was correct, but they were allegedly told that he had a drug operation and a kidnapping dungeon.

which is fine. But they didn't vet this info, just ran with it. Massive negligence & duty failure

Re: Afroman found not liable in defamation case

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When you break into someone's home you want to be ready for people with guns shooting at you. Politely giving them a few seconds of free shooting before you draw your guns is not a great survival strategy.

Best to kill anything that moves; it's the only way to survive.

Dead men can’t sue!

Re: Afroman found not liable in defamation case

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> They also falsely stated that the officers are “white supremacists,” > Statistically that's a pretty sensible assumption. Interesting, is there a source or some data you’re aware of that suggests that it’s a statistically safe assumption?

The American police force originally started as a formalized slave patrol to capture runaway slaves [0]. It's well-documented [1]. We can try to argue whether modern policing carries that tradition, but case [2] after documented case [3] keeps bearing out more of the same. It's been the topic of research [4] and pop culture [5]. [0] https://www.nas.org/academic-questions/36/3/did-american-pol... [1] https://time.com/…

> The American police force originally started as a formalized slave patrol to capture runaway slaves

I don't see how this supports the claim

Re: Afroman found not liable in defamation case

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I have a potentially silly question, and obviously naive - but why so many drawn guns? Fun music videos aside, what was the background here? Were they coming in on a Massive gang fortress? Or are all the stereotypes of American police forces true and they just come guns a-blazing all the time? I mean, that wasn't even police officers with hand guns, they have army-like guys with massive automatic rifles, and they see…

It's a country with a lot of guns. Police do regularly get shot at when raiding. And police departments get sent videos of every officer death from around the country and regularly watch them for "training purposes". So it makes sense that they are in a constant state of paranoia.

Policing isn't in the top ten most dangerous jobs. It's usually listed around the 15-25th most dangerous job in the US. Many Americans including myself are regularly in more danger.

Also around 40% of police deaths are accidents.

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