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Afroman found not liable in defamation case

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Re: Afroman found not liable in defamation case

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> "On March 14, 2023, seven Adams County police officers sued Foreman, alleging that his use of the video of the raid invaded their privacy." THEIR privacy?!?!? Their privacy ... in his home? This is the most ridiculous claim I have ever heard.

Civilians, in the middle of the forest: We want our privacy.

This flavor of police: You have no reasonable expectation of privacy in a public place.

Afroman: Here’s a video of cops inside my home.

This flavor of police: Stop being mean!

Re: Afroman found not liable in defamation case

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post #180

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> falsely claimed that the cops “stole my money” That appears to have happened; they're claiming it was a miscount. > were “criminals disguised as law enforcement,” Seems fair. (And opinion, which can't be defamation.) > They also falsely stated that the officers are “white supremacists,” Statistically that's a pretty sensible assumption. I'd note that the jury found Afroman not liable on all these.

> They also falsely stated that the officers are “white supremacists,” > Statistically that's a pretty sensible assumption. Interesting, is there a source or some data you’re aware of that suggests that it’s a statistically safe assumption?

Won't someone think of those who falsely accuse someone of kidnapping when they get a similarly ridiculous accusation against them?

This is part of why we have juries. The letter of the law must be nullified sometimes in the interest of justice.

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I have a potentially silly question, and obviously naive - but why so many drawn guns? Fun music videos aside, what was the background here? Were they coming in on a Massive gang fortress? Or are all the stereotypes of American police forces true and they just come guns a-blazing all the time? I mean, that wasn't even police officers with hand guns, they have army-like guys with massive automatic rifles, and they see…

American police are trained to be afraid. They escalate situations constantly. They're trained that every traffic stop is LIKELY their last. I've had a gun pulled on me twice for traffic stops when I went to grab something. I'm white.

If only your country operated on the Peelian principles of policing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peelian_principles

Relevant fictional quote:

There's a reason you separate military and the police. One fights the enemies of the state, the other serves and protects the people. When the military becomes both, then the enemies of the state tend to become the people. - William Adama

Re: Afroman found not liable in defamation case

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I have a potentially silly question, and obviously naive - but why so many drawn guns? Fun music videos aside, what was the background here? Were they coming in on a Massive gang fortress? Or are all the stereotypes of American police forces true and they just come guns a-blazing all the time? I mean, that wasn't even police officers with hand guns, they have army-like guys with massive automatic rifles, and they see…

When you break into someone's home you want to be ready for people with guns shooting at you. Politely giving them a few seconds of free shooting before you draw your guns is not a great survival strategy.

If you break in with little to no notice or with a lack of manpower or if the occupant has nothing to lose, sure. This is why no knock raids are incredibly dangerous for all involved and generally a terrible practice.

With the number of officers they often have in most cases it would make more sense to start off slowly and unarmed, making an earnest attempt to communicate with the target. People won't usually choose to fight a suicidal battle. Even if they're extremely upset and disagreeable almost everyone will go along with it if calmly presented with a warrant and given some time to think things through.

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post #190

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Where in this article does it suggest that it’s a statistically safe assumption that most cops are white supremacists?

It's one data point in a pretty large body of evidence; the FBI thinks they're infiltrating law enforcement in a widespread fashion. A fascinating study from Stanford looked at police traffic stops nationally around the daylight savings switch (as a natural experimental control) and found pretty hard evidence cops treat black drivers very differently during the day (i.e. when they can see their skin color). https://n…

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post #210

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Behold, the sea lion in its native habitat.

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No, you ignored evidence presented while failing to provide any of your own.

Evidence has no minimum standard in debate, you can only provide more compelling evidence to the contrary.

Re: Afroman found not liable in defamation case

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post #128

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I see he celebrated anti-ICE protests in some videos on his YouTube channel. Where does his MAGA support you claim come from?

I mean, both him and Trump have similar approach to opponents or those who wronged them. In this case, the opponents are deeply unsympathetic to most, so it is harder to see. I do see how someone whose reaction to being wronged is "I fucked his wife doggy style" could be attracted to the Donald Trump personality.

I’m not at all convinced, because that would mean N A S is a Trumper because:

> “When these streets keep callin’, heard it when I was asleep/That Gay Z and C*ck-A-Fella Records wanted beef”

JayZ responded in kind insinuating it back on N A S.

And Drake is also a Trumpist because he told Chris Brown that he fu*ked Chris’s girl.

Tupac also, for some reason:

> ”… You claim to be a player, but I f*cked your wife/We bust on Bad Boys, n*g*as fu*ked for life.”

2Pac in hit-em-up:

> "That's why I fuc*ed your bitch"

Eminem:

> "I f*cked your mother and made her my bitch,"

You know what? Maybe it’s a rapper thing and not an indication of MAGA alignment?

Re: Afroman found not liable in defamation case

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post #117

It gives me immeasurable delight seeing afroman at the top of HN. Love me some freedom, sweet soulful music, and pie in the face of bad cops. Dang/Tom, please don't downrank this. America needs this win.

I think this all started with cake in the face of a cop not pie!

Lemon pound cake you say?

Re: Afroman found not liable in defamation case

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> Yes, bad guys might have guns, but that's the case everywhere around the world. The number of guns in the hands of bad guys caries drastically around the world. You can’t reduce this to “it’s the same everywhere” because it’s not.

True! What I meant is that I think German police, for example, are probably less worried that a traffic stop is likely to get them killed or have them escalate a situation to the use of lethal force. I think this might be different in the US because guns are just much more common there.

I think that's true but it's not guns alone it's broadly cultural in nature. Different places are different. Even in the US there are vast differences between regions.
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