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Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by InsideOutSanta »

enoint wrote: post #123
krona wrote: post #100

I live very close to one of the USAF's largest European airbases. While Trump was trolling European leaders about their security posture (by threatening to relieve them of sovereign territory which the US already has extensive access to) the USAF was already moving assets in the opposite direction to the middle east (this was mid-january). It's fairly easy to work out what's happening if you ignore the orange man and…

This is exactly right. The liar who lies to control the narrative is lying again. The chance he’s lying is high but as adults the (likelihood * hazard) of an invasion is worth preparing for. The narrative he wanted to control was about Epstein. Denmark could have simultaneously prepared for that, but it wouldn’t be on OSInt Twitter.

The problem is that his "lies" and "jokes" sometimes suddenly turned out to be not lies and jokes.

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by fifilura »

fluidcruft wrote: post #125
matsemann wrote: post #7

Russia's invasion ironically strengthened NATO, with more countries joining or feeling the usefulness of it. Somehow the US managed to break down all that good will in such a short amount of time.. I think it's hard to overstate how much more hostile people look at the US the last few years. So much soft power has been lost.

I'm of pretty mixed feelings about this. It certainly strengthened Europe's collective defense priorities and awareness. That response happens to include NATO but primarily because Europe is too weak without NATO. Europe used to be full of world powers and now they collectively can't manage collective defense without the US? There's something very learned-helplessness about that. And yes, it certainly has served Amer…

Maybe a bit of learned helplessness, but what people tend to forget is that an all-in Russia is a formidable enemy.

This is the moment it helps to have allies. Like an insurance. Even if you can manage without, it hurts less if you have them.

To me it makes more sense to focus on that perspective.

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by freehorse »

verelo wrote: post #112
KaiMagnus wrote: post #97

And this is, in my opinion, why support at Hormuz shouldn’t even be on the table. How can you possibly hold joint patrols when you were just months ago planning full scale war between each other?

Also, the "was" in this title feels misleading. If they're not still, they're crazy.

The original title is better translated as "prepared". The tweeting reposter translated to continuous past tense somewhat erroneously imo, because it sounds as if the preparation was interrupted by something.

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by srean »

jacquesm wrote: post #145
srean wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did that US really exist without a self imposed convenience of blindness ? The brutality of the School of Americas might indicate otherwise. Now rebranded as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Hemisphere_Institute_f...

That's a tough question. There has always been a meddlesome quality to the USA that the rest of the so called developed world turned a blind eye to. Along the lines of 'their bastards, but at least they're our bastards'. Of course that does not make it good, but the balance calculation worked out in favor of toeing the line and being careful not to get pulled out of joint too much. 9/11 changed all that and effective…

"Meddlesome" is certainly a light way of labeling torture training.

What I find more troubling is that Trump has popular support. It's just not Trump. The rot goes far deeper.

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by easytiger »

vrganj wrote: post #161
easytiger wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sorry but you are not interacting with the rational suppositions of posters in various threads here. No one is arguing for a war except you. People are explaining to you the strategic reality and you are espousing rhetoric that I honestly can't decipher. 1. Denmark cannot win militarily 2. You are suggesting Denmark would not capitulate and indeed enter into a state of war What do you think happens in this situat…

France has a nuclear deterrent it has stated has "a European dimension". Don't go around poking hornets nests if you don't want to get stung.

You think there's a game theory scenario in the book where France launches a nuclear weapon at mainland USA over a land dispute between them and Denmark?

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by keybored »

jjtwixman wrote: post #34
jacquesm wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Note that this is from a country that wouldn't exist if not for the allied countries and that the US has somehow managed to all but erase that reputation. We recognize our debt, we also recognize that this is to a country that no longer exists in a meaningful way. All we have now is multiple variations of the mob.

Yeah the US we knew is gone. I think about this sometimes when I am listening to American music from the 20th century, how much soft power they had, how great they made America sound either directly or indirectly. That America that we all looked up to and admired is gone. Pity.

Reminder that “Born in the USA” was not a “patriotic” song.

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by Jensson »

mcv wrote: post #158
niels8472 wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sadly, these are all fairly "safe" things for a US president to do. Either because there's no law against it and if there is he can just pardon himself and his partners in crime. I know a presidential self-pardon is controversial but realistically Trump will be dead before that legal question is settled.

There should be a law against it. It's blatant corruption. The fact that lawmakers and supreme judges have the power to make their own corruption legal, doesn't make it any less corrupt. The Nazis made their crimes legal, and they were tried anyway.

> The Nazis made their crimes legal, and they were tried anyway.

They were tried after being beaten militarily, who will lead the rebellion against Trump and the American military backing him? The military doesn't dislike what he does and those are the main ones that could oppose him.

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by eunos »

jacquesm wrote: post #6
throwa356262 wrote: post #2

Those Danes should study the Falklands war. Using F35 in this situation is like brining in a billion dollar paperweight to the battle.s

That doesn't matter. It is not so much about whether the USA could do this and expect to win, of course they can. Nobody has any doubt about that. It is about gross miscalculation of consequences. Attack Greenland ->attack Denmark, attack Denmark -> Attack the EU. So you don't attack Greenland. Because that would be wrong. Unless all that stuff about shining cities on hills was nonsense. Instead of making America gre…

> Attack Greenland ->attack Denmark, attack Denmark -> Attack the EU.

Rhetoric and public support aside, I honestly very much doubt that there will be a solid EU military response. For many countries like Baltic, Eastern Europe and Nordic countries (ironically DK included). US military support means life or death of their countries. I imagine they'd stall response like what Hungary did and hope that Greenland annexed become fait accompli.

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by bryanlarsen »

Keep in mind that militaries are always preparing for war. They have to. A military exists in large part to always be prepared for the unthinkable.

And in the case of countries like Denmark who have few realistic enemy choices, that means they must be prepared for unrealistic invasions, even if the US isn't threatening to invade.

Yes the Danes probably spend most of their time preparing to fight the Russians, but always wargaming the same thing leaves them unprepared for different enemies or unexpected approaches from expected enemies.

Yes, the actions in the links are more than just wargaming, but a large part of it is stuff the military should be doing anyways.

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