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Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by vrganj »

easytiger wrote: post #153
jacquesm wrote: post #122

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No, what is absurd is the number of people that can't wait to go back to a world with endless wars of conquest. We already know what that looks like. If you have never seen war up close then I am happy to forgive you, but trust me, in 'actual war' there is no possibility of success for anybody, there are only degrees of damage and degrees of grief and illusions to the contrary are focused on the few people that manag…

I'm sorry but you are not interacting with the rational suppositions of posters in various threads here. No one is arguing for a war except you. People are explaining to you the strategic reality and you are espousing rhetoric that I honestly can't decipher. 1. Denmark cannot win militarily 2. You are suggesting Denmark would not capitulate and indeed enter into a state of war What do you think happens in this situat…

France has a nuclear deterrent it has stated has "a European dimension".

Don't go around poking hornets nests if you don't want to get stung.

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by jacquesm »

KaiserPro wrote: post #135
easytiger wrote: post #106

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This is absurd in the extreme. In actual war there is absolutely no possibility of success for Denmark, even with the help of allies. Failure to capitulate results in nothing but death and destruction with no hope of strategic gain to begin with. What you are likely experiencing is a modern belief that screaming and shouting will bring popular diplomatic pressure to bear on the opponent, thus arresting their actions.…

I mean the same was said about Ukraine. What are we supposed to do, just fucking give up?

Ukraine is rapidly becoming one of the hardest countries in Europe. They fought a former superpower to a stand still and are innovating on weapons systems and integration at a pace that makes LM's skunkworks look like sloths. And on a budget that is insane.

Just like Ukraine, Europe does not want war, doesn't want to see their kids die for the umpteenth time so that fat cats can line their pockets. But if push comes to shove we would be absolutely capable of doing it, either outright or by slower guerilla like means. Bombing shit is easy. Taking over territory and holding it is much, much harder, infinitely more so if the population holds a grudge. Note that the Dutch resistance killed more German soldiers than the army ever did. Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, lots of countries in Europe. Examples aplenty.

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by freehorse »

lm28469 wrote: post #139
KaiMagnus wrote: post #97

And this is, in my opinion, why support at Hormuz shouldn’t even be on the table. How can you possibly hold joint patrols when you were just months ago planning full scale war between each other?

> And this is, in my opinion, why support at Hormuz shouldn’t even be on the table Shouldn't? it's not on the table at all lol

Well it is on the table but only trump is sitting on that table.

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Post by iugtmkbdfil834 »

jfengel wrote: post #133
philipallstar wrote: post #59

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Yes. That is why Biden dropped out. But the unprincipled are talking as if he was the candidate in 2024.

The 'unprincipled' simply remember how long it took the establishment and Biden to drop out of the race ( and even that was only after it became painfully clear he is barely there ).

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Post by jacquesm »

petterroea wrote: post #142
steinvakt2 wrote: post #80

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Seems weird. China is definitely falling behind. India is not.

They are pretty happy with having superiority on high tech manufacturing and robotics. You basically cannot manufacture something without using China - even if you try. I don't think they consider the TSMC EUV monopoly a long term threat. Doing good on AI as well, you bet the OSS chinese models causing stock panic in the US makes them laugh. On the topic of manufacturing outside China, the YouTuber "Smarter Every day…

I have some friends who are doing things 'China free' and it is possible but it comes at a very substantial premium.

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Post by InsideOutSanta »

nxm wrote: post #31
empath75 wrote: post #12

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The only way the US can fix our reputation will be to try and imprison our current leadership after they are eventually removed from power. And in particular, the Trump family needs to have all of its assets seized.

Imprison based on what and seize assets based on what exactly? You not liking the administration is not a valid reason for asset seizure

It's peculiar to me that after Nixon, Americans just don't hold their presidents accountable for their illegal actions anymore. It seems like they've just given up; they no longer behave as if the president was the head of the executive branch. They behave as if he was a king with absolute power.

This is such a long-standing problem that people no longer even notice the crimes happening right in front of their eyes. It's just become normal.

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by input_sh »

closewith wrote: post #98
Planktonne wrote: post #54

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You're forgetting several factors which undermine your analysis: 1. Denmark does have allies; they're not completely alone, and they're not completely helpless. 2. The US has a track record of invasions, but not one of successfully pacifying states. Resistance works. You're using the same simplistic logic as Russia invading Ukraine; you can't just compare population numbers and guarantee an immediate victory. There's…

Denmark is completely alone and helpless against the US. Other EU nations would protest, but none would enter armed conflict.

I'd suggest you read the article or the Bluesky thread.

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by schnitzelstoat »

jnwatson wrote: post #82
crispyambulance wrote: post #13

There's a difference between "posturing" for show and actually "preparing for war". They're wise to the fact that "the Stable Genius" isn't going to try anything violent with Denmark/Greenland, but they still want to prevent him thinking about just stealing territory "peacefully."

Ukraine thought Russia was just posturing and look where it got them.

Yeah, tbh I was in the camp of 'nothing ever happens' too and I was shocked when they actually invaded.

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Post by srean »

empath75 wrote: post #12
jacquesm wrote: post #3

Of course they were. The United States has never before damaged its own reputation in Europe as much as they did in the last 12 months. And the same goes for Canada, possibly worse. You don't go around threatening your allies unless you really have plans and that's why you don't elect senile old guys to positions of power.

The only way the US can fix our reputation will be to try and imprison our current leadership after they are eventually removed from power. And in particular, the Trump family needs to have all of its assets seized.

Nuremberg style judicial proceedings.

Not necessarily with similar judicial executions. Fair trials and fair and exemplary punitive measures would be enough for me.

I lost respect when Obama let Bush Jr administration off the hook. It essentially set the tone that it is ok to behave like that, that there would be no consequences.

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